We all hate google and youtube, but overall as a community we’re all simultaneously lukewarm and non-committal about pushing towards using an alternative. I admittedly cling to invidious frontends for dear life.
It seems like whenever somebody asks for an alternative to youtube, they’re offered Odysee and Peertube, but inevitably many others chime in about the shortcomings of both of those platforms.
Can we as a community come to a consensus as to which of these platforms should be pushed forward?
I don’t even think it needs to be a binary choice. Obviously youtube cannot be immediately replaced for it’s archival of educational and tutorial videos, but we can at least push newcomers towards using invidious frontends for those instances.
Maybe Odysee is better for some type of content over Peertube. Let’s discuss which platform works best for what and try to be more active about sharing and promoting them not just to viewers but potential creators as well.
If you go to share a youtube link, try to see if that video exists on an alternate platform first and share that link instead. I think that’s a good first step towards getting away from youtube in the privacy community.
But youtube alternatives are still very much on the fringe and I’m hoping this post will at least inspire some discussion about changing that.
So. Some unfortunate news here. There was never a time to be on YouTube in the first place.
I think piracy is the answer. If a creator is not on odysee, make a channel of the same name an re-upload all their content, everyone can do it basically for free. If you run a peertube instance, pick a few youtube channels you like and mirror them to your instance and keep them updated with something like ChannelTube or TubeSync.
What about Nebula? It’s paid subscription but you can pay for once off lifetime subscription for $300, and the content creators even encourage users to opt for the latter. Edit: wording
No consensus. We should never look for that, because we need diversity in options and usage.
Discussion is peachy tho.
I am trying to - there’s no direct replacement, but I’ve removed the YouTube app from my phone at least. Also signed up for both Nebula and Dropout, which both do some sort of direct profit sharing with creators.
So you can get actual YouTube content without the ads? Does it include an ad blocker or is it inherently resistant to ads?
That’s a trap. It keeps the powerusers on Youtube instead of motivating them to seed a new platform.
I get 0 ads with uBlock Origin on Firefox. But that’s mostly for desktop/laptop style computing, not on mobile. For that I use New pipe, though rarely.
This is precisely what I do. Works flawless (on PC and mobile)
During my DeGoogling, dumping YouTube was easy, and was made easier when they started permanently banning leftist feeds like Party Girls. The struggle for me was Google Maps. Lots of substitutes, and I do use CoMaps, but none are quite as slick as the Google version…yet.
Nebula might be worth the $5/month. The platform is run by the creators, so that money goes to them. DM me if you’re interested. I can gift you a free week.
Nebula is great. Lots of original content, varied catalog and you get to see lots of stuff before it comes out on YouTube (if it even does, as there’s also extended Nebula-only videos)
I’ve really enjoyed nebula, would reccomend.
I support and enjoy Nebula. Definitely worth the cost in my opinion.
The very platform you’re clinging to is on Death’s Door and they’re actively breaking YouTube’s terms of service while still using the service.
None of the other platforms are even close to replacing YouTube. They can’t handle the scale or the features. And none of them are heading towards being able to accomplish this.
YouTube is a capitalist utopia funded with more money than God. They provide unlimited free storage and transmission of all videos sent to their platform. They fleece videos for copyright and legal impingements. They gather corporations willing to spend on advertisements and link them directly to end users uploading data, and when they reach a threshold, they pay them.These funds pay for the unlimited amounts of storage at levels that no other platform could handle.
The other platforms that are open to us don’t make enough money to do any of those things. We’re relying on the funding, development, and administration of a couple of generous strangers.
This. I’ll leave YouTube when I can have a similar experience and support all of my favorite content creators somewhere else. Until then, everything else is just a lame video hosting site I’m not interested in.
I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said, but IMO it’s not the whole story.
You’re correct that youtube is not going to be dethroned in the foreseeable future. The thing is, I don’t want an open platform to replace youtube, I just want some content to be available on that open platform.
There are a couple of peertube servers that aren’t horrible. TILVids is particularly decent.
But until somebody works out monetization for these people, it’s probably going to be Slim Pickings.
At a minimum, peertube is going to need to support private videos for Patreon to have proper effect.
I mean if peertube was based on torrents…would that work?
I’m not sure how Peertube works, but from my current knowledge, torrents seem like a great (and obvious?) option, especially from an archival pov.
Not sure that streaming them is great (mostly for skipping around), but theres a lot of streaming players out now, maybe it’s good now with well seeded torrents.
If I’m being naive, I would love to know in which ways.
Nothing can compare yet to YouTube.
The main reason is: YouTube is not only a distribution channel. It is also its own promotion channel tied to a search engine which magnifies that promotion.
You open YouTube and it offers similar videos tho what you’ve been watching. You search for something and there is probably a video (or many( matching what you are searching.
Other platforms are currently only distribution channels. You upload the video and promote it through other channels. Whether your own website or posts somewhere else.
Si, if you are a content producer and want to share, the current fediverse solutions are great, however it will need critical mass to attract content consumers.
And without content consumers, it will be hard to attract content providers who want a broad distribution and exposure.
So, let’s start moving out own content to the fediverse and use other channels to promote them. Let’s create a snowball effect. We could even post to several and see where the content consumers gravitate to.
however it will need critical mass to attract content consumers.
My guess is that that’s the reason why OP wants to focus on one platform. Pick a winner and bring the traffic.
very much on the fringe
When mainstream is mostly consumerist attention grabbing bullshit, is it genuinely a problem?
I use peertube as much as I can, but there’s only like 3 people that I like from Youtube that’s also on Peertube: Veronica Explains (@veronicaexplains@tinkerbetter.tube), The Linux Experiment (@thelinuxexperiment_channel@tilvids.com) and Gardiner Bryant (@gardiner_bryant@subscribeto.me). I guess I watch Tafotin (@trafotin@spectra.video) from time to time as well.
I hadn’t even used Odysee before, but just a cursory look I did find someone whose content I enjoy there, Naomi Brockwell. From the looks of it, it has some sort of crypto feature? (ew)
Also, how in the world does decentralization work there? There’s only one website, that’s odysee.com, that doesn’t seem very decentralized to me.I’m just so sick of the censorship on youtube, and the shadowbanning of comments. It feels like 90% of my comments aren’t seen by anyone, not even myself.
It’s a shame crypto has such a stink on it.
I mean, I despise crypto-bros and just don’t want anything to do with any cryptocurrency or tokens of any kind.
However, in another universe it might have been a nice way to do micropayments to support content producers.
Like I’m not going to click on an ad so the platform gets $0.02 and the creator gets $0.01, but I would click a button to give the creator $0.01 if that were a thing.
Yeah, in theory I’m pro-crypto, except that people are treating crypto more like stocks than anything else which is what gives me the ick.
Yesterday, but today is good as well. :-)
I personally run two. My own at video.firesidefedi.live.
And started a nonprofit that I’m still working on getting 501© 3 status in the US called BT Free, and currently running a moderated instance TubeFree.org. open for sign ups, but if you want to post video I need to see it first as again, heavily moderated. Eventually I plan on having storage costs for tax deductible donations, but idk when that’ll be. And hopefully in the future can do revenue sharing or have a way to post creators.
I know Ben Pate, whom I talked with on fireside fedi and is creating emissary and bandwagon, is working on pay systems. As well as other folks.
The best time to switch away from youtube was several years back, after the growth phase of our few remaining tech players ended and maximizing revenue started.
The next best time is now. They will only get worse, and bow to powerful interests even more. Them demanding we prove age by providing commercially valuable info they will keep no matter what they say, should be the last straw for all of us.
Find smaller competitors, youtube and google are lost causes we need to quit both.
