Pretty sure this was reported on before the 2016 election and nobody gave a shit.
Nooooooo trust me bro the list will ruin him bro, trust me. Just one more rape allegation and we beat facism bro they just have to release the list.
All his voters wanted to be at the party. When the “grab them by the pussy” tape was revealed, his voters donned “Trump can grab me by the pussy” t-shirts.
That tape had more impact than it gets credit for. My parents were die-hard Republicans until HitlerPig came along. They were very ambivalent, but were still planning to vote for him when the tape came out. That sealed it.
For the next two years, whenever his name came up, my Mom would go on a rant, starting with “I don’t know how any woman could vote for that man…”
She despises him to this day, and “despises” is far to polite a word. I’m not sure a word exists to describe how much she hates him.
Rape culture is the default in USA.
I can’t get over that scene in that shitty transformers movie where the adult dates someone that is underaged, and he carries this snippet around where in some state under some circumstances you are allowed to hace sex with someone that is underaged. There was no point of that. She could’ve just been 18. The guy could’ve just been 17.
No wonder why he is deflecting so hard. He has walked back so much stuff other than harming people and ruining economy.
Didn’t the whole Epstein stuff come up when he decided to run for president? I always wondered if he only ran to be in better control of the fallout.
He ran to avoid jail.
The pedo pals
Well now I have the title for the worst kids show.
You’ll find a niche online market.
Great! Now its even worse!
…downvoters ok with fucking kids?..
Maybe due to how they where not invited?
It will be our little secret party 🫲🍊🫱
The real criminals here are…Obama, Hillary Biden, and Adam Schiff, though! Something something argle bargle “coup” ten years ago! Why won’t the liberals see that!!!
Hillary’s husband is on the flight logs, we dont need to play team sports when it comes to child rapists.
Where did they mention Bill Clinton in their comment?
They purposely didn’t because it would completely undermine their point.
Am I taking crazy pills or did everyone else miss that this was supposed to be Trump words? This is the exact thing he would say, and has said to try and distract from himself.
The real criminals here are…Obama, Hillary Biden, and Adam Schiff, though!
Is now a bad time to point out that Gislaine was invited to Chelsea’s wedding? Hell, Epstein had a long ongoing relationship with Bill Clinton. To say the Clintons are culpable is an understatement.
Meanwhile, Obama and Biden are - at a bare minimum - guilty of chronic inaction. Trump’s been engaged in money laundering for the various east coast mafias and eastern human trafficking gangs for decades and gone virtually untouched.
You can squeeze your eyes and pretend Obama - a man notorious for not prosecuting wealthy crooks - isn’t to blame. But Biden? Criminal negligence boarding on treason.
Adam Schiff is, similarly, deliberately blind to the role Silicon Valley has played in a functional coup of the California and US governments. Bare minimum, he is complicit through inaction.
I mean. It’s all of them. The entire reason this is being suppressed is because it’s touches all of our ruling class. Trump is the only one dumb enough to think he could get away with using it to his advantage without consequences. And, honestly, he probably won’t see consequences anyway. So, maybe he’s actually the smart one. At least in terms of fooling American idiots and getting elected.
He’s right. He doesn’t need them now. So he’s doubling down on those that will follow him literally anywhere. And those are the people he’ll call on for another January 6th.
Let’s not pretend Bill Clinton wasn’t Epstein’s buddy too. The DNC is just as disgusting, and until liberals realize they’re actually just neo-liberals, nothing change.
You’re getting down voted for arguing with what is VERY OBVIOUSLY a sarcastic impression of a right winger response. No one is denying anything, you just decided to argue with a joke
You’re not getting downvoted because people are denying Clinton is probably on the list; you’re getting downvoted for saying anyone is defending it.
Get the list, investigate every single person on it, punish anything we can prove. As the justice system is supposed to work.
I don’t know a single liberal that doesn’t want Clinton to get arrested if he’s on the list.
How about all the liberals in Congress?
That might be a good litmus test for which ones are actual liberals.
I think you and the person you’re responding to have different definitions of lib.
Fucking team sports man. But in politics it’s apparently who is less of a pedophile this week.
BlueMaga almost as dumb as Maga I swear.
The whole country has proven dumb.
Period.
One of the most disappointing things is seeing how excited libs are for some “abundance” policy. Like, they see the rise of fascism and maga voters regretting their choice and think to themselves “what if we did MORE neoliberalism?!”
I can’t believe they can fall for the same vague promises with zero policy over and over and still think the maga voters are the only dumb ones.
Bill Clinton was a sleazy fuck. He used his position to get a blowie from an intern and a big deal was made of it. But I’m pretty sure the only one who tried to cover it up was the man himself. But to the best of my knowledge he didn’t rape children at organised child rape parties with other child rapists. If it comes out that he did, then lock his ass up and throw away the key. A pedo’s a pedo. Politics doesn’t matter here.
to the best of my knowledge he didn’t rape children at organised child rape parties with other child rapists
Well he was on the flight logs with Prince Andrew, Kevin Spacy, and Donald Trump.
There has been no attempt to prosecute them.
All the more reason to make the files public.
Jokes on you I don’t like Bill Clinton either or any other child molesters
The bullshit-ass false equivalency benefits fascists, so I guess you’re outing yourself as one here. Whoops.
Dems are a trud but because the Republicans are a bigger, smeller turd nothing is wrong? And people wonder why America is so fucked.
Aye comrade
Nobody here is defending Bill, and he’s not the POTUS. Your whataboutism is gross.
I mean the comment they replied to is literally downplaying the involvement of other pedophiles just as involved as Trump was. It doesn’t matter if it’s using sarcasm to do it or not. That’s the intention.
The entire point people should get out of this is that defending rich pedophiles (much like defending Israel) is a bipartisan issue that both parties will always agree on. Do they spin it differently. Sure. But come the fuck on.
The person doing “whataboutism” is the person that made the initial sarcastic comment. Literally bringing up other sex pests for the exact same reason their comment is making fun of. To compare the sex pests between parties and downplay their involvement by comparison.
You can’t say “whataboutism” when the literal comment your replying to was responding to and criticizing a “whataboutism” in the first place.
Learn context clues. You’re ranting about something that wasn’t even an issue.
The original comment was in the voice of Trump. It’s the type of thing he would say to distract from people looking into him. It was satire, not sarcasm.
Bill Clinton isn’t currently president. Focus on the real problem first, and surprisingly you’ll probably pull the rest down with him. Weird, eh?!
Ничельный insult в русском языке.
We already know about clinton comrade. But Epstein said he was best friends with Trump for 15 years. That more relevant because he’s the president today.
The hits keep coming
Once?
Lines up with Katie Johnson’s testimony (source)
Guys. I think he raped kids.
It’s so icky how they try to use “young women”
Dude couldn’t look more guilty if he tried.
On Truth Social, President Donald J. Trump issued a bold and unequivocal statement today blasting what he called a “DISGUSTING, DESPERATE, and TOTALLY FAKE” media smear campaign, denying reports that he hosted a private party for young women with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein as the only other invited guest.
“LET ME BE VERY CLEAR,” Trump said from his Mar-a-Lago estate. “I NEVER — and I mean NEVER — HOSTED ANY PARTY WITH EPSTEEN OR WHATEVER. NEVER HAPPEND. TOTAL FICTON. Just more LIES from the FAILING FAKE NEWS MEDIA.”
The rumor, allegedly based on decades-old social columns and unnamed sources “who probably don’t even EXIST,” claimed a gathering at Trump’s Florida property included young women and only one other guest—Jeffrey Epstein. Trump called the implication “SICK, TWISTED NONSENSE from LOSERS who can’t get over 2016.”
“JEFFREY EPSTEEN? I BANNED HIM FROM MAR-A-LAGO, OKAY? He was a VERY BAD GUY. Everyone KNOWS IT. The WORST. Unlike SLICK WILLIE CLINTON — who was flying on the ‘LOLCITA EXPRESS’ like, what, 30 times? SAD!”
Trump went on to recount an alleged emotional encounter with a supporter. “A VERY STRONG MAN came up to me, big guy, tough — real tough — tears in his eyes. And he said, ‘SIR, THANK YOU for NEVER going to that party. THANK YOU for KICKING OUT EPSTEEN.’ And I said, ‘I KNOW.’ He cried. It was beautifull. Most people wouldn’t understand.”
Team Trump emphasized that “no credible evidence exists” of any such party and warned that legal action may be taken against “SLANDEROUS HACKS” in the press.
“IT’S ALWAYS FAKE NEWS,” Trump concluded. “THEY’VE BEEN LYING SINCE THE ESCALATOR. TOTAL WITCHUNT. VERY UNFARE!”
Someone forgot to tell grumpy gramps that his caps lock was on.
I can’t tell if this is real or satire 🙃
Intentional misspelling of Epstein for plausible deniability?
I don’t know if that is copy-pasted from the original or quoted badly, but there are a lot of typos in there. I am not reading a lot of Trump’s rants: is this just how he usually writes or is he being particularly emotional?
Or to decrease the number that keyword is seen by the algorithms
smyrt
Smort.
All of this news coming out now show you just how terrible democrats are at being a real opposition party. All of this was known and it never came to the attention of the media.
It shows there are more Democrats on the list than Bill Clinton.
Who cares, reveal them all.
They did. Just as the media reported on all Trumps lies, the problem is that his voters couldn’t give a shit about any of it.
Just as
thesome media reported on all Trumps lies
Yeah this isn’t exactly true. I’m pretty sure this was reported on before 2016, and people just didn’t care then.
But yes, Democrats are awful at messaging and drop the ball at every opportunity.
people just didn’t care then.
Which “people”? I thought/think it’s fucked up and I wish it was a bigger issue. It’s literally media/hegemony that chooses which tales to hype or bury.
Enough people to elect him twice.
What? Epstein has been a major story for the last 10 years, at least since he was first arrested in 2006.
The billionaire media moguls like the Murdochs, Bezos and Musk don’t care for the idea of removing Jerome Powell from chair of the fed and they already got their big bill and Vance. Donald is used up and they can keep this from going away until it gives Donny a stroke from the constant stress.
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I’m not seeing a need for correction. Not this one anyway.
Democrats are also on the list. Nevar forgat that Trump said he’d run as a Democrat if he evar ran.
I think it’s more a testament to how much the average american ignores, I don’t think anything new has really been released regarding Epstein and Trump. Mostly rehashing similar acqusations that have been floating around for years.
I mean there is sworn testimony of him raping an ex-wife https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-exwife-claim-he-raped-her-resurfaces-in-new-documentary-a6836151.html but that never got any traction.
To be fair, this was all information that was published before. Just like now, it changes absolutely nothing for his supporters.
Not to say that the dems aren’t terrible at messaging. But this seems to be more of a case of Trump having so many scandals that people forgot the details of this one. Saw someone post the other day that they went to Epsteins wikipedia page and had completely forgotten large swathes of it. Its just too much, too fucked up, for people to hold on to it.
And the worst part is, none of it is hidden. The video from the 90s (maybe early aughts) that had him speaking about his good friend ‘who, you know, likes them a little on the young side,’ was from Inside Edition (iirc). Dude casually admitted his friend was a pedo and it gets published as a puff piece.
None of this is new, none of this is unknown, its just unbearably fucked up.
Not to say that the dems aren’t terrible at messaging. But this seems to be more of a case of Trump having so many scandals that people forgot the details of this one.
This isn’t an exclusively Trump scandal. Epstein has his hooks in dozens - if not hundreds - of people. Billionaires like Bill Gates and politicians like Bill Clinton and royals like Andrew Edwards, Prince of York This is at least as big as the Jack Abramoff scandal from the Bush Jr era, a scandal that DeLay inadvertently engineered as exclusively Republican through his K-Street project.
It isn’t a simple messaging problem. It goes to the foundations of fundraising, candidate selection, and bureaucratic organization. Far too many people are dirty within the upper ranks of both parties.
Just like now, it changes absolutely nothing for his supporters.
I’m sure a sizeable portion of them think it makes him a real stud.
Not as unique as you might think. This might be an elite class issue. A lot of people knew about Harvey Weinstein before he got metooed.
Exactly, which the video quote I think proves. He really felt comfortable saying that. He’s high up in all of that, but he is far from the only one in that muck. And it certainly didn’t end when Epstein died.
And it makes those folks just as culpable. Knowing someone is actively committing that sort of crime and doing nothing is nearly as bad as doing it.
What is someone supposed to do exactly? Epstein was one of the most powerful and well connected individuals when he was alive. Let’s say you saw an employee who looked young—you go to the police, you tell them your suspicions…did you get her ID? Do you think Epstein won’t sue you until you’re broke? Do you think there will be justice when he can call up politicians and get things buried?
I’m not suggesting that everyone should keep their mouth shut all the time, it is just that he was a huge dragon that could not be attacked unless you were a particularly qualified hero. Who knows how many people tried to blow the whistle and ended up dead or discredited and in poverty. It is easy enough to say “they should have done something”, but succeeding is a whole different ballgame.
If you were deep enough to actually know things that you could prove, you were very likely the kind of person who was also guilty. That is part of why the plan worked for so long.
The neoliberal wing behind the party while this was all happening and Biden was just president is no longer in charge of the DNC.
It makes no sense to blame the current DNC for anything before February.
It’s not just a different guy at the desk, it’s the same as blaming a Dem president for what the last Republican did.
Meaning the current DNC won’t work against a candidate willing to disclose all of it. However they won’t work against any candidate in the general. That’s why MSM is desperate to convince people that change never happened. They want to depress primary turnout.
If it was the same group of people in charge, the media would be still saying the DNC is the only other option and we can’t criticize anything they do.
It’s like how the best time to buy gold is when places advertise for you to sell it, and the worst time is when they advertise for you to buy it.
Just do the opposite of what a billionaire says we should do, and things will probably work out for the rest of us.
Meaning the current DNC won’t work against a candidate willing to disclose all of it.
I kinda feel like this is giving 'em a little too much credit. However, I can’t argue with your overall argument, nor the logic you present to get there.
That said, the general nature of the problem hasn’t changed. The blatant corruption that is directly enabled by the vile (and, in my not so humble opinion, treasonous) Churches United ruling has redefined the playing field. Basically, only the corrupt have any realistic chance of election nationally, which completely undermines the democratic part of our government. (And yes, democracy only plays a part in a republic style government. The US has never been a “democracy”.)
My own takeaway is to focus my attention more on local elections. They have always been far more important than most people realize (myself included), now even more so. If there’s any chance of reversing the terrible damage being wrought, it starts locally. This is true whether you believe in working with, or against, the current system.
And again, this isn’t meant as an attack on your own argument. I knew about the change in DNC leadership, but I’ve been overlooking both it’s potential significance, as well as that of the current media framing - specifically the lack of “only other option” type statements. Thank you for your perspective!
I kinda feel like this is giving 'em a little too much credit.
It’s not “them” it’s one man, Ken Martin.
And he chaired Minnesota for like a decade, right up until the DNC. He has a proven track record.
But believe me, if he starts to fuck up I’m gonna say he’s fucking up.
Basically, only the corrupt have any realistic chance of election nationally, which completely undermines the democratic part of our government.
If that was true then there would be zero way Mamdani would have won his primary. Sure, “it’s a mayorship” but it’s for NYC, one of the largest concentrations of wealth on the planet, there’s a reason they’ve had shit against mayors for generations.
They failed to buy the primary, that’s never really happened.
My own takeaway is to focus my attention more on local elections.
This is the big strategy of the DNC after a decade of the Victory Fund bankrupting state parties, were seeing the largest reinvestment from the DNC back to red/purple states so they can start fighting at lower levels.
The reaction to David Hogg’s actions are a good example of why I continue to be skeptical of the DNC.
Here’s what happened:
Biden’s pick for chair and the committee that runs primaries fucked up their internal election for vice chair.
Complaints were lodged that the election wasn’t by the rules, Martin kicked it to committee who put it up to a DNC wide vote of all ~400 members. The same ones who had just elected Martin and Hogg off the same ballot.
Hogg choose not to run, by every indication he would have won just like last time, this was a formality
Instead Hogg said he’s going to start a PAC.
I don’t think he ever intended to win, no one would have predicted Martin or Hogg’s wins. I wasn’t even that optimistic. I think Hogg’s original plan was to do the PAC, and that’s why he refused to run in the re-election he was assuredly going to win.
Quick edit:
Fo bonus points, Martin just ran two of those committee members who have been fucking up primaries out of the DNC. Even better, one of them was an 08 superdelegate who tried to vote Clinton after Obama already had the votes.
The old guard is gone.
We can’t squander this, we literally may never get the chance again if this doesn’t work
Ken Martin was the safer pick for the DNC chair, he helped turn around Minnesota politically and financially, and won seats – and kept them, often by very narrow margins. Ben Wikler was the progressive minded disruption pick that helped flip Wisconsin and was a driving force in turning Wisconsin blue including that historically expensive fight that Elon Musk lost over the Wisconsin Supreme Court pick. You can decide which of these is more noteworthy.
David Hogg must have realized that under the fresh new leadership of the DNC they were still too caught up in rules and formalities to effectively fight and so he chose to walk his own path. He didn’t run just to quit and run a PAC. He ran and realized without Ben Wikler signing off on his idea to primary safe seats with his PAC to build a progressive base, he would not have a clear path to his vision… reforming the DNC to reflect progressive politics to win like they won in Wisconsin.
He asked permission from Ken Martin to use his PAC for its intended purpose – which was subsequently denied – realized Ken Martin would never sign off on primarying safe DNC candidates and wrote the DNC off in favor of his PAC. When the DNC got caught up in a procedural error, he decided to exit stage left and put his energy elsewhere – primarying the old guard. To be fair to Ken, he made the argument that the DNC should abstain from interfering with primaries altogether. Who you agree with depends on how you feel about disruption in the DNC in favor of progressives; if you feel that party unity, procedures, and small progress over the status quo is the way forward, then Ken Martin. If you feel that shaking things up, being disruptive, and primarying the old guard out for new blood progressive Democrats is ideal and worth the risk, then David Hogg.
David Hogg found himself with a $20 million PAC he built himself and was told he had to choose not to spend it on primarying progressives against safe establishment Democrats or else the DNC won’t let him have a seat at their table. That’s why when you hear Democrats talk about the matter they sound whiny and say things like “we think losing Hogg is missing an opportunity to engage with younger voters.” Because it is, and they are… and the tone has shifted because he has a $20 million dollar progressive werebear named ‘Leaders We Deserve’.
The old guard you mention – the two committee members – aren’t solely responsible for the issues with primaries. While you’re correct that Randi Weingarten, President of the American Federation of Teachers, stuck to her superdelegate guns in favor of Hillary over Obama and by the same token Hillary over Sanders, she voted for David Hogg and Ben Witker… the progressive disruption candidates. She may be idealistic in trying to get a woman elected to be President, but she’s entitled to that ideal. She’s no Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
I don’t share your enthusiasm for the DNC and many of them are just starting to realize how much their predecessors have messed up – the immediate exit of David Hogg despite being handed a position in the DNC he already won shouldn’t be met by your confusion about his original intent. Instead, it should be a sign of how bad things actually are. Who knows, Ken Martin may turn it around and he shares many of the same ideas as Ben Witker, but mostly by copying his homework and playing it safe yawn. Doubtful the DNC has that much gas left in the tank to turn anything around. They can’t even run an internal election without fucking it up. The fuck up not being the procedural error. But losing David Hogg.
Losing in this manner is a signature DNC move. You almost hate to see it for the thousandth time. Even Twilight was less predictable.
Trump is not the only wealthy person involved. The people that own both parties don’t want themselves and their friends implicated. Bill Clinton, Bill Gates etc
At times, it’s like watching the Washington Generals play the Harlem Globetrotters.
“C’mon guys! They’re not even playing real basketball anymore! Get back in there and take back our civil rights and public services!”
A lot of it was out. The Republicans refused to believe it until now.
Just like liberals refuse to believe Democrats are involved too, and that’s the real reason they’ve ignored it the whole time.
From top to bottom, from Bill Clinton to Alan Dershowitz, the Democrats are not your friends.
Just like liberals refuse to believe Democrats are involved too
I have not encountered a single person that believes this. Everyone seems to want them to bring justice to all of them, regardless of party affiliation.
I see what you’re doing, by the way. Might work on reddit, but people here see through it.
Also, LOL at acting like Alan Dershowitz isn’t a Trump creature, and should somehow be lumped in with the Democrats… Sorry bud, but that hasn’t been true for nearly 30 years.
All you’re concerned with is benefiting repubs.
How do you get that from what I said?
They are both child raping cults, I’m unwilling to defend Democrats on the Epstein client list, that makes me pro republicans?
Think before you speak.
Comrade, I don’t need to further explain that your whataboutism has a goal. It’s beyond obvious.
It’s not whataboutism, I have never defended Republicans. It’s good for you to see that both sides are bad.
I know, you shit on Democrats and only Democrats and everyone knows why.
Many will still do mental gymnastics to rationalize it away.
…we’re fine with killing kids, but fucking them?..
How about not being okay with both?
cheers mate, you figured it out…