But if you can’t see the massive amount of effort, artistry and intentionality that comes from artists before they even get to the point of hitting play.

Again, I’m not talking about musicians or producers.

A DJ hitting play on a track they didn’t create seems analogous to someone sending a prompt to an AI.

If deciding what music to play given the response to a previous track is art then choosing what prompt to add to a given AI response is also art.

If i use scissors to create my collage is that cheating? Why should any other tool be different.

So I’m grifting … myself?

I am drawing strong parallels between an existing, recognised form of art and this new artistic tool. It is exactly how a point of debate is defended.

you cant claim that you created that section of collage

You don’t claim creation of the pieces. Collage is “an assembly of different forms, thus creating a new whole” … “When collage uses existing works, the result is what some copyright scholars call a derivative work.”

If I am using my own GPU and open source models, exactly how am I being grifted?

I’m not calling out deadmau5 or vinyl DJs. I said any DJ that has a synced light show is just pushing a button and dancing. The video I linked to explains why.

If festival DJs that just push a button to play other people’s music get called artists then why not AI creators. It’s the same amount of skill and effort.

I prefer to live in reality

Oh yes. From the artists perspective a piece is rarely finished. There always seems more to add or change. I very much respect artists who can create minimal pieces that still seem finished.

Using AI within these iterations does not seem to be cheating to me, but many people in this thread seem to disagree.

But from a viewer perspective they can only imagine the work that has gone into a piece. The end result is usually all they have.

Art history is very interesting, but let’s not kid ourselves. The tourists are packed into a small part of the Louvre only for the finished product.

Any DJ with a light show is not reading the crowd at all. They are just pressing play and dancing to a prearranged set.

Prompts are not a fucking skill.

Writing is a skill. But also inpainting areas with prompts and building different layers of the image with different prompts is certainly a skill.

True, some art is more about the process than the result, but the painting of the mona lisa is certainly the product, not the process.

DJs are considered artists, and they just press play.

Granted, a one prompt AI generated image is not very impressive and is unlikely to be “good”, but it doesn’t mean it isn’t art.

Collage is a specific style which people can achieve by patchworking their own works together

Not just their own works. Other artists works are regularly included in a Collage. Just like AI.

Given that people regularly mistake AI output as art, it’s not at all stupid.

You are getting angry at the wrong part of AI image generation.

I am.

In many art forms, something else is doing it. The paintbrush and gravity do most of the work in a Jackson Pollark.

These are tools, not artists, there are good uses for LLMs and dispersion models, but replacing art, artists, expression, thought process, and the human condition in general, are not good or properly utilized ways to try to use them.

Im arguing that these are tools for artists, not to replace them.

A well written and thoughtful response. Thank you. I disagree with nothing.

Current AI Diffusion models are absolutely nothing like thinking and the composition is very likely a mixture of creator choice and training on nicely composed pictures.

It does seem that an AI tool is useful for artists, but certainly everything it spits out isn’t art.