• Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.world
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    11 days ago

    Remember kids: Vote blue no matter who only applies to progressives.

    Want to run a campaign against the duly nominated candidate?

    Only if you’re a neoliberal sex pest. Otherwise you want republicans to win.

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      11 days ago

      You think the DNC is pushing this? Or is this just throwing shit to throw shit?

      Vote blue still applies here. I don’t know who told you it doesn’t.

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        11 days ago

        You think the DNC is pushing this?

        I think they’re going to be more open about doing so as the election approaches.

        Vote blue still applies here.

        Progressives step aside when centrists win the primaries that the party went to court for the right to rig.

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          the party went to court for the right to rig.

          Not a fair interpretation of an argument made by a single DNC lawyer in a single context. Also, the primary is over and Mamdani won.

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            Not a fair interpretation of an argument made by a single DNC lawyer in a single context.

            A completely accurate representation, made by a lawyer representing the party and setting precedent they have taken advantage of ever since.

            Also, the primary is over and Mamdani won.

            I’m not sorry that the party’s machinations against the left fail sometimes.

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              11 days ago

              It’s accurate that their lawyer made that true argument. That’s just how party primaries work in the US, unfortunately. It’s not accurate that “the party went to court for the right to rig”. The whole point of the argument was to avoid a potentially long and expensive case from moving forward. The context matters, and the lawyer would have been incompetent not to bring it up, as would a Republican or even Green party lawyer in that situation.

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                10 days ago

                God damn, you’re hyperfixating on one part of my initial comment because you don’t like people remembering how awful your wing of the party constantly is to anyone but netanyahu and two cheneys.

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                That’s an overly charitable interpretation.

                What actually happened was that progressives sued the DNC for unfairly rigging the primaries, which they did.

                Rather than try to deny it, they went with the tactic of saying “well we’re allowed to because we own the process, not the voters”.

                This in spite of their own charter mandating that they stay neutral and not favor any candidate over others during the primary process.

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                  10 days ago

                  I don’t think the word “rigging” tells an accurate story. I do think they pulled strings to get all the establishment candidates to Voltron into Biden for super Tuesday. I do think they influenced their cohorts in the media to make Bernie look like he couldn’t win the general. I don’t believe they messed with the voting process itself, which is what “rigging” tends to invoke.

                  Rather than try to deny it, they went with the tactic of saying

                  Again, context matters. In a legal process there are different times to make different arguments, and a good lawyer makes use every argument available. This particular argument dealt with whether or not the court had jurisdiction in the matter, so it came early in the process.

                  This in spite of their own charter mandating that they stay neutral

                  What exactly does that mean? Is every member required to be personally neutral in even their personal relationships outside the DNC? Does that extend to Obama who is neither a board member or on staff at the DNC? Being neutral is a good idea, but that rule is pretty meaningless.

                  To be clear, I am no apologist for the Democratic establishment. I blame them more for Trump than the Republicans. That’s why I want progressives to show up and vote them out in primaries. Giving the false impression that their vote won’t count is counterproductive.

                  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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                    10 days ago

                    To be clear, I am no apologist for the Democratic establishment.

                    To be clear, that’s the only thing you have ever been or ever will be.

                    Giving the false impression that their vote won’t count is counterproductive.

                    Pointing out that the party does everything it can to ratfuck progressives means that they might respond to pressure to stop, and you don’t want that.