Ehh… As someone who currently lives here, things got a lot worse after trump and covid. I would say more than half the population here are bigots and proud to lack any kind of empathy towards anyone who isn’t exactly like them.

Also, the state isn’t really gerrymandered. It’s just that the only two slightly progressive areas are OKC and Tulsa, and even they don’t usually vote blue for statewide or federal elections. Oklahoma is securely the most conservative state in the union. Imo people here are just shittier than anywhere else I’ve lived, and I grew up moving to a new state every 3 years.

I mean the state idolizes Sooners, which were basically white people stealing from each other so they could steal as much native land as possible. The culture here is just based on being proud, being an asshole, and taking pride in how much of an asshole you are.

You know what? Screw you. I don’t have to dig up my past trauma to justify myself

I didn’t ask you too? It’s just not really something you can use to supplement your argument.

So then what are you arguing against then? You agree with me that lawlessness is not the answer. People in this thread shouldn’t be condoning lawless behavior.

I don’t particularly care about “lawlessness”, as I said the law does not dictate morality. Just because I wouldn’t do something doesn’t mean I have the right to admonish others doing it.

That’s a thread you don’t want to pull buddy.

Lol, sure…

Ahhh - post-modern “there is no truth” BS. No. My opinion here is definitely more moral and justified.

Based on?

It’s not simply my opinion either - it’s the conclusion of many enlightenment philosophers, scholars and legal minds. It’s the basis for the modern liberal democracy legal system that concentrates the power to punish in the government to provide for a stable society.

Ahh, yes… The US legal system, widely known for being non biased and clearly has never been used to systemically repress entire segments of underprivileged society. The perfect system that has executed hundreds of innocent men…

Many people are saying it… Must be true, no reason to actually argue your point on how this specific case is immoral. Why offer an actual argument when you can just appeal to authority and virtue signal instead?

“I’m not saying people “should feel bad” about it I’m saying they shouldn’t be advocating”

Interesting rephrasing considering I already said “In my personal opinion it’s not something I would condone”…

And as it happens - I have a very good idea of what it would feel like. You don’t know me.

I’m sure you know exactly how it feels to have your friends/family deliberately attacked in a mass casualty event by a drunk driver at a festival…

Again, your feelings and opinions are just that… opinions. Your opinions are not more morally or ethically superior to anyone’s else’s just because you believe in them. Laws do not dictate morality or reality and are just as flawed as any other social construct.

Or just principles that are different from your own ethical construct. I’m no more defending the gunman than you are defending the driver, I’m just correcting your critique.

In my personal opinion it’s not something I would condone, I’m also not going to lose any sleep over it. Tbh I don’t know how violent I would feel if some drunk loser ran over any of my loved ones, and I don’t think you really know either despite all your moral grandstanding.

Right…but what does that have to do with abandoning principles?

My point is that there is no uniform set of principles, and that crude forms of justice might not inherently conflict with their principles.

abandon all their principles

Strict gun control is more of a liberal ideology and Lemmy leans pretty far left.