Delist thousands of games, or deslist a handful of payment middle-men?
You know by now you might have to use crypto for yer sinful games.
Collective Shout describe themselves as a “grassroots campaigns movement against the objectification of women and the sexualisation of girls”, but are associated with outspokenly homophobic and anti-abortion Christian conservative groups, according to a now-deleted Vice article. They recently claimed credit for the campaign that saw payment providers pressuring the online storefronts to remove content the group deemed unacceptable.
It’s not hard to empathise with the folks behind Itch for being placed in an impossible position, but their lack of forewarning has left creators blindsided and in some cases, seemingly without income. “I wish we had gotten some warning from Steam and Itch,” wrote game developer Robert Yang on Bluesky, “but we already know it’s Collective Shout + payment processors waging culture war against LGBTQ people and sexual expression. I guess there’s nothing else for Steam and Itch to say”.
Personally speaking, I’d be willing to extend that good faith to Itch.io themselves, but they aren’t the one holding the gun to their own heads here. That’d be financial companies, pressured by Collective Shout, who themselves have ties to an organisation whose CEO once described gay marriage as an “unspeakable offence to God”. It’s not difficult to imagine what kind of expression these groups might decide to deem as unacceptable next.
I think it’s time for a game platform divorced from Visa/Mastercard to rise to the occasion and step in for these platforms. Websites without these processors already exist, so the model is proven to work well enough (it’s less convenient for sure).
I wouldn’t think the US would be a good country for this hypothetical store though. I think it’s only a matter of time until they attack the publishers and studios directly. I’m not counting on the 1st amendment to help anyone.
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Well that is at least something Bitcoin could have fixed
At this point I would only try something untraceable like Monero. I don’t want the moral police to come knocking to my house saying that I bought something against the glory of the Lord.
And probably would have if it wasn’t being manipulated by speculators.
This is like shitting your pants to ward off bears.
If shitting your pants is cool, then I’m Miles Davis.
Payment processors and financial institutions sure do seem to hold disproportionate amounts of power.
When governments allowed payment processors to dominate the market to the point of duopoly/oligopoly.
This is just a distraction
And they don’t care when it’s actual sex trafficking of minors (JP Morgan in relation to Epstein).
And a single woman and her organization seems to hold a disproportionate amount of power over the payment processors.
I don’t understand it. Payment processors could easily tell her to pound sand, but they don’t.
talk to anyone that works in the porn industry. Mastercard and Visa have ALWAYS been like this ever since the late 90s/early 00s. they set the rules for what the adult entertainment industry can produce and sell and only now are people discovering because of video games that they’ve been this way for decades.
Welcome to capitalism. 1 person and their company can influence an entire country while being top 10 retards.
Collective shout finacials year: 2024 revenue: 458043 employee_expenses: 107000 other_expenses: 215488 net_surplus: 135555 employees: total_fte: 2 full_time: 0 part_time: 1 casual: 4 volunteers: 15 donations_and_bequests: 389800 government_grants: 0 commercial_income: 0 expense_to_revenue_ratio: "70.4%" average_expense_per_employee: 39400 Leadership - name: Melinda Tankard Reist role: Founder, Movement Director public_socials: - Twitter: @MelTankardReist - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listed - name: Caitlin Roper role: Campaigns Manager public_socials: - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listed - name: Renee Chopping role: Campaigns Strategy public_socials: - LinkedIn public_email_address: r******@collectiveshout.org salary: Not publicly listed - name: Lyn Swanson Kennedy role: Campaigns Strategy public_socials: - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listed - name: Coralie Alison role: Movement Operations Manager public_socials: - Twitter: @CoralieAlison - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listedFuck.
These.
Fucking.
Shitsucking
Subhuman
Leeches
Lot of college-educated white women in these nonprofits lol
My biggest problem is, they banned with this method, all the games that are targeted for adults but not porn, or gore. Like they hate spicy food and banned all things that are not white rice and unseasoned chicken breast.
It was really hard to find deep philosophical games which are good and are not containing porn or gore, but targeted to adults. Now its imposaible. They have literraly no platform. Unlike the porn games, they have many aside from steam and itch.
Damn guess we’ll need to move to the alternative- ah wait- no- itch was the alternative.
I wonder if a federated game platform would work as an idea or if that’s just an inherently bad idea due to the nature of trusting strangers with your money.
the problem is the payment processors, not itch
unless you’re fine with crypto, sending cheques by mail or having everything be free, your new platform is gonna get the same problems once it’s big enough to be noticed
Without payments processors, they can’t sell games.
Having a federated platform wouldn’t mean much if the payments processors blanket ban the platform.
Just use an intermediary and payment processors will be powerless
Still wouldn’t address the root problem here: payment processing companies have the power to just deny payment from even happening.
Unless you’re referring to making a federated platform that instead allows devs to connect with buyers and make transactions off channel.
Would limit widespread issues like this but now you’re opening a whole new can of worms with trust
Crypto payments is one solution.
This but unironically. I was going to try and use monero recently just to dip my toes in the proverbial crypto water, until I found out that I can’t buy anything with monero other than drugs.
I recall you could pay for some VPS but it was years ago and I know nothing about the current situation.
Cryptocurrency was going to be an alternative coin but it’s just used to speculate and buy illegal things.
buy illegal things
but that is actually what we’re here for in this thread - we want to buy things that our masters say we cannot.
Ah fuck their board head is Australian. FFS
Wow, I might actually have to stop using itch.io, is nowhere safe from the craziest anymore? I dont even make NSFW games, but bending the knee to dickheads over some overtly religious bullshit isnt gonna work for me.
It wasn’t Itch.io’s fault, but the fact that payment processing has been globally monopolized and can force it’s own arbitrary will on anyone without recourse.
Blame Visa and MasterCard and the christofascist scum from Collective Shout, who is responsible for pressuring the processors into harming the stores and artists.
Why anybody takes a “think of the children” organization seriously when their logo is a butthole is beyond me.
It just proves satire is dead and we live in a world full of idiots.
I don’t think they had much option, they forced by the payment providers…
And thats beyod me, why they have the power to enforce anything like this???
And what is absolutely beyond me, why a group of alt-right femminist from the other side of the globe has power to enforce the payment providers?
Agreed. Game and movie ratings already exist, who the fuck are they to say what we can/can’t access with MY credit card.
I don’t play those games nor use itch.io, but fuck this nonsense.
I understand. And my point still stands. Fuck them (cc processors)
Absolutely. Fuck payment processors
That’d be financial companies, pressured by Collective Shout, who themselves have ties to an organisation whose CEO once described gay marriage as an “unspeakable offence to God”. It’s not difficult to imagine what kind of expression these groups might decide to deem as unacceptable next.
You know, if they want to play dirty. Alright. But I am sure this CEOs name is known and so are those of that collective. I wonder what multiple generations of sexually frustrated nerds are able to do to these people?
Everone talks about porn and loser males. Its more than that. Its way more. The banned all adult targeted games, even the ones which are not porn or gore. Many-many gamers are affected, way more than sexually fustrated nerds. They now start to see, that they poked the bear, and it came with the wolf and tiger to take justice.
Wonder how long it will take for them to start going after LGBT+ stuff. Hope I’m wrong.
They did, day 0.
When monero based game store?
The user experience of Monero is poor.
While it is true that getting your first credit card isn’t exactly a 10 second ordeal, people at least have their credit card. How are people going to acquire their first Monero?
- Install Cake Wallet on phone
- Setup Monero Wallet
- Click “Buy”
It’s not that difficult
