Ok, fine - everyone who didn’t vote is irresponsible and unreliable and a bad ally or whatever, and also let’s do Fox News’ work for them and blame left-leaning emancipatory movements for our problems.
Now what? What viable allies, what options, does this frame of reference leave you with? What are you going to do now?
I’ve spent a lifetime watching people blame the ones closest to them for their problems, while the real enemy is right in front of them. It’s a powerful human impulse, and it’s the primary right-wing impulse. I’m not foolish enough to think it’s ever going away. I can only hope, like I hope of right-wingers, that you’re not too far gone into rage and despair to understand what’s going on.
I can only hope that at some point, before it’s too late, you’ll consider how far a political establishment needs to fall that the people it’s supposed to stand for find it less depressing to tune out; that the only people who engage with the system do it to bring in a guy who’ll tear it all down. I hope you’ll be able to direct your rage at the people who truly deserve it.
I hope you find a way to work with the rest of us. Otherwise, I hope that you’re strong enough to fix this yourself.
Ok, fine - everyone who didn’t vote is irresponsible and unreliable and a bad ally or whatever, and also let’s do Fox News’ work for them and blame left-leaning emancipatory movements for our problems.
What I wanted was for the US to not fall to fascism, so I chose the only option that’d realistically prevent that.
You and countless other leftests chose to do jack shit, something we know favors the GOP because of the Electoral College and Gerrymandering to virtue signal.
You all are closer to Fox news than those who voted for Kamala. Our action wouldn’t have ended up with fascism. Yours did. You were functionally on the side of fascism when itattered most what side you were on. How does that make you feel?
You can’t even claim to be an emancipatory movement because literally ever group you’d want to emancipate is objectively worse of and further from emancipation.
Now what? What viable allies, what options, does this frame of reference leave you with? What are you going to do now?
Viable allies are whoever we can trust. Whoever either voted for Kamala or doesn’t let their ego dominate their narrative and can actually admit wrong for not doing it, or encouraging others in swing States to do it by sounding the alarm.
You lot covered in your own tears and piss after telling all of us to fuck off when we needed you the most aren’t allies. You’re a liability at best. You couldn’t be trusted when it was convenient for you. What makes you think you could be trusted when its hard for us all, when you can’t even put aside your ego to admit your side was wrong?
I’ve spent a lifetime watching people blame the ones closest to them for their problems, while the real enemy is right in front of them
You all proved last November you were never closest to us. Maybe not even close in general. What is there left for us to do than to adopt this mistrust as a survival mechanism so you all don’t fuck everyone over for your own egos next time we need to stand?
You keep whining that people are blaming you all for not voting, and not asking yourself why that might be. How you all fucked up to earn this mistrust and disrespect. Self reflect for once in your life.
It’s a powerful human impulse, and it’s the primary right-wing impulse. I’m not foolish enough to think it’s ever going away. I can only hope, like I hope of right-wingers, that you’re not too far gone into rage and despair to understand what’s going on.
Hollow words from a hypocrite who embodied not understanding what’s going on in time when it mattered most last year. Millions with the same idiotic mentality, and inability to self reflect on their own betrayal of all marginalized peoples.
Again, self reflect. You all earned this mistrust. This is on you all, not us.
I can only hope that at some point, before it’s too late, you’ll consider how far a political establishment needs to fall that the people it’s supposed to stand for find it less depressing to tune out
I can only hope that one day you and every child with this same defeatest mentality realize how I credibly stupid it was that you use being demoralized and depressed as an excuse to surrender to fascism that reigned in an era that made the prior one look, not depressing, but like a fucking progressive paradise in comparison.
Again
No strategic vision
No strategic foresight
In really, no thought or logic behind your actions at all.
that the only people who engage with the system do it to bring in a guy who’ll tear it all down. I hope you’ll be able to direct your rage at the people who truly deserve it.
That’s not true. Millions of people who can actually accurately call themselves progressives and leftists stood up to choose the best viable option for the marginalized people. Do not project your fundamental character flaw unto others.
Again, put your fucking ego aside for a moment.
I hope you find a way to work with the rest of us. Otherwise, I hope that you’re strong enough to fix this yourself.
And here we are at the neo-liberal gaslighting y’all so fervently foam at the mouth at when the Dems do it.
Just like the establishment Dems you hate. You completely abandoned everyone who needed you to act when you had the position to do so at least in some way.
And now that you actually see the threat when its FAR too late to avoid, you’re demanding unity and alliance.
Fuck that.
You’re a liability, not an ally. Until you and everyone who thinks just like you gets their heads out of their asses and learns to sacrafice their egos for the good of others, we are in more danger with you than without you.
You all have proven I disputably that you cannot be trusted or relied on to do your part.
Put your ego aside for once. Nobody should be allying with you until you do that. Until then, you bring them more danger than help.
They’re a die-hard Democrat posing as a leftist her as a rhetorical tool.
I skimmed through several of their extraordinarily long diatribes and I didn’t catch any criticism of the Democratic party, much less Kamala. They reserve all of their anger for other users and voters they deemed insufficiently loyal.
Sure, let’s hold the victims of fascism accountable for the actions of fascists.
If you’d actually read my comment, you would have realized that you’re demonstrating exactly what I was talking about. You want to hold fascists accountable, but you don’t have the immediate means to do that. So you turn around and victim-blame your fellow sufferers.
You’re not the first person to fall into this trap. It’s the entire reason people voted for Trump - if you can’t change the system that’s screwing you over, at least you can punish the people around you and call that accountability. I hope we can be smart enough not to do this to each other, but the responses in this thread are making it hard to be optimistic.
So, ironically, I’m going to tune out of this conversation too, before it crushes me even more. I’m going to try to find hope and courage elsewhere, because I’m all out of it at the moment. To the rest of you, whoever you are, I hope you can find it too.
Ok, fine - everyone who didn’t vote is irresponsible and unreliable and a bad ally or whatever, and also let’s do Fox News’ work for them and blame left-leaning emancipatory movements for our problems.
Now what? What viable allies, what options, does this frame of reference leave you with? What are you going to do now?
I’ve spent a lifetime watching people blame the ones closest to them for their problems, while the real enemy is right in front of them. It’s a powerful human impulse, and it’s the primary right-wing impulse. I’m not foolish enough to think it’s ever going away. I can only hope, like I hope of right-wingers, that you’re not too far gone into rage and despair to understand what’s going on.
I can only hope that at some point, before it’s too late, you’ll consider how far a political establishment needs to fall that the people it’s supposed to stand for find it less depressing to tune out; that the only people who engage with the system do it to bring in a guy who’ll tear it all down. I hope you’ll be able to direct your rage at the people who truly deserve it.
I hope you find a way to work with the rest of us. Otherwise, I hope that you’re strong enough to fix this yourself.
What I wanted was for the US to not fall to fascism, so I chose the only option that’d realistically prevent that.
You and countless other leftests chose to do jack shit, something we know favors the GOP because of the Electoral College and Gerrymandering to virtue signal.
You all are closer to Fox news than those who voted for Kamala. Our action wouldn’t have ended up with fascism. Yours did. You were functionally on the side of fascism when itattered most what side you were on. How does that make you feel?
You can’t even claim to be an emancipatory movement because literally ever group you’d want to emancipate is objectively worse of and further from emancipation.
Viable allies are whoever we can trust. Whoever either voted for Kamala or doesn’t let their ego dominate their narrative and can actually admit wrong for not doing it, or encouraging others in swing States to do it by sounding the alarm.
You lot covered in your own tears and piss after telling all of us to fuck off when we needed you the most aren’t allies. You’re a liability at best. You couldn’t be trusted when it was convenient for you. What makes you think you could be trusted when its hard for us all, when you can’t even put aside your ego to admit your side was wrong?
You all proved last November you were never closest to us. Maybe not even close in general. What is there left for us to do than to adopt this mistrust as a survival mechanism so you all don’t fuck everyone over for your own egos next time we need to stand?
You keep whining that people are blaming you all for not voting, and not asking yourself why that might be. How you all fucked up to earn this mistrust and disrespect. Self reflect for once in your life.
Hollow words from a hypocrite who embodied not understanding what’s going on in time when it mattered most last year. Millions with the same idiotic mentality, and inability to self reflect on their own betrayal of all marginalized peoples.
Again, self reflect. You all earned this mistrust. This is on you all, not us.
I can only hope that one day you and every child with this same defeatest mentality realize how I credibly stupid it was that you use being demoralized and depressed as an excuse to surrender to fascism that reigned in an era that made the prior one look, not depressing, but like a fucking progressive paradise in comparison.
Again
No strategic vision
No strategic foresight
In really, no thought or logic behind your actions at all.
That’s not true. Millions of people who can actually accurately call themselves progressives and leftists stood up to choose the best viable option for the marginalized people. Do not project your fundamental character flaw unto others.
Again, put your fucking ego aside for a moment.
And here we are at the neo-liberal gaslighting y’all so fervently foam at the mouth at when the Dems do it.
Just like the establishment Dems you hate. You completely abandoned everyone who needed you to act when you had the position to do so at least in some way.
And now that you actually see the threat when its FAR too late to avoid, you’re demanding unity and alliance.
Fuck that.
You’re a liability, not an ally. Until you and everyone who thinks just like you gets their heads out of their asses and learns to sacrafice their egos for the good of others, we are in more danger with you than without you.
You all have proven I disputably that you cannot be trusted or relied on to do your part.
Put your ego aside for once. Nobody should be allying with you until you do that. Until then, you bring them more danger than help.
This is what dividing the left looks like. Thanks for the example, I hope you reconsider your stance and be more inclusive moving forward.
They’re a die-hard Democrat posing as a leftist her as a rhetorical tool.
I skimmed through several of their extraordinarily long diatribes and I didn’t catch any criticism of the Democratic party, much less Kamala. They reserve all of their anger for other users and voters they deemed insufficiently loyal.
That’s a lot to say people shouldn’t be held accountable.
Sure, let’s hold the victims of fascism accountable for the actions of fascists.
If you’d actually read my comment, you would have realized that you’re demonstrating exactly what I was talking about. You want to hold fascists accountable, but you don’t have the immediate means to do that. So you turn around and victim-blame your fellow sufferers.
You’re not the first person to fall into this trap. It’s the entire reason people voted for Trump - if you can’t change the system that’s screwing you over, at least you can punish the people around you and call that accountability. I hope we can be smart enough not to do this to each other, but the responses in this thread are making it hard to be optimistic.
So, ironically, I’m going to tune out of this conversation too, before it crushes me even more. I’m going to try to find hope and courage elsewhere, because I’m all out of it at the moment. To the rest of you, whoever you are, I hope you can find it too.