• DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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    Into it.

    Blue states secede and watch the red states cannibalize themselves.

    They need us. We don’t need them.

    They will only learn if they are entirely destitute and have to come crawling back to us.

    But we both know the violent right would go to war to prevent blue states from seceding. Like I said, they need us.

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    I mean, it would be an interesting experiment I guess. I suspect it would effectively segregate the states by ideology and race. I assume most non-old-white-christians would prefer to live in blue states.

    But one glaring question is how would we divide up existing federal resources? Like the military, bank, etc.

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      Trump actually isn’t very popular in the South today.

      His strongest remaining support is in the two top coal-mining states — Wyoming and West Virginia — and Idaho. None of those are in the South.

      The Economist’s net approval map is interactive — you can click on it to get numbers — and I can’t put that in this post, but here’s a screenshot showing the colors:

      https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

      1000009266

      • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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        18 hours ago

        Great.

        But the south has a fucking hard-on for absolutely fucking imbecilic, racist, xenophobic Republicans. So, you know, have fun with that.

        I would be stoked if the actually productive and cosmopolitan states could shed the dead weight of the fucking confeds (and the handful of “frontier” states that think they could swing it without federal support - spoiler alert, they absolutely cannot), and then just make some sort of agricultural deal with Canada and Mexico to make up for the flyover states being the People’s Republic of Supply Side Jesus, and let them see how that pans out for a few decades. I’m fucking done giving a shit about the parts of the country that are so far up their own asshole that they don’t understand they’re voting against their own best interests.

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        He would still win if there was an election today. Even though they don’t like Trump, they’d still vote party line.

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        Look we’re going to make sure there’s plenty of room for you here because we’re going to persuasively ask the Nazis to leave. I’m sure New Orleans and Atlanta will have strongholds in the cities but again there’s going to be plenty of room in Utah, Southern California, Montana and Idaho when we start encouraging the Nazis to go to their own country.

  • I would also like a peaceful national divorce. Those of us who prefer intellectualism and advancement get one half, and the knuckledragging neanderthals whose only accomplishment in life is being born white get the other half

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        One half can stand just fine. It has the economy and progressive politics to do so.

        The other half can rot and die. It only serves as a ball and chain.

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          You really think so? I know ‘america bad’ and all, but the US did do a lot of good in the world as well. I think it is evidenced by all the harm the Trump administration is doing by illegally decimating congressional approved programs abroad.

          Lets face it, if the US falls, the EU is going to be scared shitless, it will be largely ineffective in the global arena. That leaves china and Russia to swing their hammers on anything they want, and they want a lot. They need a lot.

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            I think that the USA is lost already. Yeah it is big but only being able to trust it 4 years at a time, makes it a very unstable allied.

            The world needs trust and stability and I think that the USA has shown that the world can’t expect that of it. This is not about Trump. Its about the country as a whole, its population and the power that corporations and politicians have acquired

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              We had many years of continuity, just like any other normal nation who has free elections and policy shifts. We are in a new paradigm now. I agree the shift really started with Citizens United and the corporate grab for power (politicians are just owned by the corpos). That can be reversed but it is not going to be easy. Falling into sects just cedes power to the corpo masters.

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        Two separate united houses can stand, though.

        Well, one of them can. Based on how their economies seem to do, the other one’s going to be in trouble pretty quickly.

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          how quickly will BRICS snuggle up to the greater Texas petro state? What is their next move? Mutual defense pact? Plus with aligned states cutting the two coasts apart up through Idaho, there are really two seperate ‘liberal’ nations, not one. Oh, and California has the largest population of republicans outside of Texas so, not a lot of support. The US would be carved up and devoured in 2-3 years. It would no longer be a world player. That is already clearly the goal and it is working. I dont know why people want to accelerate this rather than attempt to reverse it.

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            Well, I’m Canadian, and America has been threatening my country’s sovereignty lately. I’d rather they just go back to being relatively sane again but if that’s not in the cards then splitting America up into more manageable pieces is an adequate fallback I suppose.

            Those pieces wouldn’t be superpowers. They’d just be regular countries like everyone else. Is that so terrible?

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              I think you would be surprised how bad the neighborhood would get with the US broken up into waring factions.

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                I’m surprised how bad the neighborhood is with America being one big piece. I think chunking it up would make things better for us in the long run, especially considering that the relatively “saner” chunks would act as somewhat of a buffer between us and the total froot-loops down south.

                As I said, there are other solutions I’d rather see happen. But if the US is going to stay as it is now then by all means break it up, that’s better than having it be one giant hostile nation.