• Brumefey@sh.itjust.works
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    1 day ago

    I’m sorry for his death. I disagreed with most of his points, I’m not event from the USA, but I hate seeing people celebrating the assassination of someone. What a fucked up world.

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      1 day ago

      I’m also not from the US. youre right we’re living in fucked up times.

      At first, I was kind of sickened by the rhetoric in these threads too.

      The thing is, US legislative, executive, judiciary, and even the media, are all corrupt. There is no truth and no justice.

      This guy was profiting by engaging in a culture war, and manipulating anyone he could into signing up. He was recruiting people to an ideology intent on persecuting minorities.

      There are people celebrating in these threads, and it is sickening. However, I do believe that he deserved to die, and his death is much less sickening than the atrocities performed by the conservatives every day. If it were a time of war, we would’ve taken one of their generals. We are all lessened by it, but the world is undoubtedly better for it.

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        I do believe that he deserved to die

        One characteristic of fascism is the forcible suppression of opposition. By your statement which mentions that someone can « deserve to die » because of his political view opposed to your, in my opinion you’re more fascist than him. Or maybe I misunderstood you.

        So far I saw videos of him debating, asking to be proven wrong. I don’t remember any quote of him saying something so violent as « someone deserve to die because xxx ». Knowing that trump got elected with less votes than during his 1st term, in the end one might argue that Kirk did a poor job.

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          your statement which mentions that someone can « deserve to die » because of his political view opposed to your

          That’s not what I said at all though, is it.

          Conservatives don’t deserve to die, disingenuous manipulator recruiting young adults to fascism do.

          If all you see is someone debating asking to be proven wrong then you’re a naive idiot.

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            3 hours ago

            If all you see is someone debating asking to be proven wrong then you’re a naive idiot.

            After your comment, I documented myself on the techniques behind his debate techniques, watched multiple videos, found this one being the most educational : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9O7y50cNb7c&pp=ugUHEgVlbi1HQg%3D%3D

            You were right. There is no way to prove him wrong with all those techniques. However, I still do not think he deserved to die.

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        1 day ago

        Whataboutism. As much as I disagreed with him, I don’t remember Kirk being a dictator, invading countries, killing his opponents, etc. Remember the last time Mussolini and Putin were debating with public in « prove me wrong » mode ? No. Because it did not happen.

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          what about kirk knowingly helping fascists come into power that killed countless people with their vaccine shit and deported hundrets of people into camps they’ll never leave again.

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              …yes? Is that on the agenda?

              Few people cry when Nazis die in movies about the 30s. Why should the modern equivalent get a pass?

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                Do you know that one characteristic of fascism is the forcible suppression of the opposition ?

                Yet you’re suggesting that killing every trump voter should be on the agenda ?

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                  Two things can share one property without being the same in all ways.

                  Doctors cut people up and sometimes take organs out, but they aren’t the same as a serial killer doing the same.

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        As much as I disagreed with him, I don’t remember Kirk killing millions, building concentration camps, starving people to death.

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          He wanted to eradicate transgender people from society and actively worked with the party currently performing an ethnic cleansing of the US. I’d say these are Nazi dogwishtles but honestly it’s pretty fucking mask off. One does not need to heil Hitler to be one.

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          Don’t pretend he wouldn’t have gleefully participated in that. He was an ardent trump supporter, and thus an ardent supporter of concentration camps.