If it only had had any effect lmao
Do not split.
But what is happening in Hong Kong is they come up with a slogan, which is translated as Do Not Split, which is, we know that some people are willing to be confrontational with riot police.
And when they are, that’s going to cost the state in terms of not only resources, but it’s going to cost the state in terms of political capital and support. And we know that there are some people who are not willing to do that. And we are going to abide by the protocol of Do Not Split, which means that we’re not going to criticize them openly, and they’re not going to criticize us openly.
If we’re the pacifists, we’re not going to have them criticize us for being sort of like, I don’t know, limpid or flaccid or not courageous or whatever. And we’re not going to criticize them for being more confrontational. And the thing is that the support is also tacit.
I think it’s still Trump’s conspiracy
Non-violent protests and their leaders are heralded by the establishment for a reason. They want non-violent protests because it’s an outlet that doesn’t actually affect their power. Martin Luther King gets credit for civil rights but really the rioting and violence on the periphery of that movement is what scared the powerful into bargaining. Symbols can be useful for rallying people, but in the end, it’s always direct action against the interest of the powerful that works. Large scale general strikes, riots, and political killings have always been the catalyst of major change.
Also, even if all that happened in the US, we still need some kind of leadership to pick up the pieces that will actually do something lasting to change things. The Democrats certainly aren’t that.
non violent protests only go so far, they would be scared if magats are also doing it, because how trigger finger they are. i think the strike that was truley effective, is the one they quashed, the railroad workers, the us is entirely dependant on this. Having these tiny protests, comparetively to what EUROPEans are doing.
Non violence brings people together so that violence can be enacted in a directed, efficient, and useful manner. So the least amount of incidental harm can be caused to those it’s not directed at. And those who it is directed at can see and feel it in ways that are the most impactful and visible.
Cause even if violence is enacted. If it’s not see far and wide, then it is little more than the tantrum of a child easily swept into their room and kept invisible from the public.
And nothing changed.
Fascists do not care about protests. Never have. Never will.
Fascists also don’t allow fair elections if they can prevent them.
This is why it was so important for Americans to pull their heads out of their asses and make the obvious choice in November, instead of giving total control to fascists, making it WAY more likely for the next election to be fraudulent. Americans failed.
I’m going to let everyone reading this come to the obvious conclusion for what will end up needing to be done at this point.
And I got chastised for insulting people who are intolerant, both to tankies and fascists. These bullies only understand and respond to force. Give them what they want and they will wish to have stopped.
I’m gonna guess violent revolution with a side of political cleansing?
With entrenched long-term resistance against the occupying force.
And yet it seemed to change nothing
I went to an anti-genocide march that day and we were hoping to link up with the No Kings marchers and combine forces, but they went home early.
- Trump and his goons are traitors
- A corporate takeover of the US has been planned for a long time
- We will not vote our way out of this
We will not vote our way out of this
Nope. That option disappeared on November 5, 2024.
You cannot allow fascists to have total control of a government and then expect to vote your way back to normality.
Lots of people are going to have to die to end this. And we’ll probably go through a prolonged period of a decline of our quality of life before that happens. Then a prolonged period of recovery. And it could have easily been avoided if Americans had pulled their heads out of their asses and rubbed a couple brain cells together.
Buckle up kids.
Agreed, but this has been brewing for over 18 years. Today’s MAGA were yesteryear’s Tea Party members. They liked to wear funny “patriotic” hats and discuss conspiracy theory level politics. Easily guided and basically brainless, if you hold up a picture of a liberal they would run at it screaming profanities like some weird carrot on a stick. They ALMOST destroyed the Republican party with that craziness … but the party just steered into it and now rides the wave.
It disappeared before 2024.
There has been a massive, multi-pronged assault on just our rights and our values, but our very attention-spans and cognitive capabilities to resist the corporate takeover.
Do ya’ll really think that they’re collecting your personal data to sell you targeted products you want?
They want to know what everyone’s limits are, they want to know how much you pay attention, they want to know how much discomfort you will endure before you get mad, they want to know what placates you, they want to know what makes you feel good and comfortable so they can distill whatever that is and turn it into concentrated slop to keep you in your chair.
This isn’t conspiracy, this is the same thing that’s been to other countries by dictators and oligarchs in the past, usually with things like alcohol or drugs, but the modern world in America is much more complicated so they need a lot of people to click “agree” so they can find out what your weaknesses really are.
A lot of people’s limits are pretty much already reached. Some of us are old, tired, and just not that interested in keeping the greed machine running.
Your average Joe may not grab a rifle and run at the illegal National Guards that have been deployed or do a Luigi… but if those average Joe’s happen to see someone else do somwthing like that it will be good odds that they won’t remember what the person looked like or which way they ran after they did it.
1 and 2 completely agree, but 3 is quitter talk. We don’t need any of that.
It’s not quitter talk. It is opening a discussion for a workaround.
Pick up a history book.
You don’t vote fascists out.
To be fair, we did vote him out once before.
However, I doubt they’ll allow it to happen again.
that was due to a fluke and technicality, that is covid.
The last three elections had the highest voter turnout in recorded American history. This isn’t a voting problem anymore, because our voting system, our very democratic process, has been compromised with social manipulation and leveraged against us.
We will not rush the polls and fix this.
We don’t necessarily need to do an armed insurrection to fix this, but we have to get a LOT more active and a LOT more involved in our local leadership and representation, we have to argue a LOT more with our shitty uncle who gets all his news from Newsmax and nobody ever pushes back on him. We have to fight ICE in the streets and post it to social media and make resistance cool. We have to stop buying shit. Not a dumbass protest against a single company or product, just start saving your damn money and stop wasting it on games and booze and drugs. Seriously, take the money OUT of their hands. Start getting healthy, active and smart.
It will take generations to fix this, but it starts now with you getting up and walking somewhere and telling a total stranger “I can’t believe how much we pay in taxes and they couldn’t lower the price of groceries!” No wokescolding, no lectures, just do everything you can to make people mad at the actual enemy, the corporations and the wealthy.
just start saving your damn money and stop wasting it on games and booze and drugs
No
You’re going to lose porn if you don’t get serious. Make a choice.
If history has taught us anything, it’s that the porn always wins.
Trying to fight apathy here is like swimming against a current of pure laziness and despair.
Ya’ll need to take some walks and eat a salad.
Who said anything about quitting?
Traitors and child fuckers.
child rapists. FIFY
Too bad it didn’t work.
Good for the USA.
They had a moment, made funny signs, took some pictures, felt good about themselves.
Now Trump is rolling a military buildup in the country’s capitol. We all know how this is going to end.
Good job. Pat yourselves on the back. You achieved fucking nothing.
Glad someone else is saying it.
No Kings was a joke.
Assuming one day of protest is the complete picture is what is comical. The Montgomery bus boycott started in 1955. The Civil Rights Act signed in 1965. One day is just part of the overall story of history. And having the largest protest be against Trump is part of our history now. It will take much more for that be a good story, but it is a good sign.
You don’t have 10 years to work this out. Particularly when every media company is capitulating in advance. No Kings was not part of some ongoing movement. It was a weekend and it was as far as Americans are willing to go.
This take makes no sense. One of the largest days of protests in US history is a joke to you? It’s a fundamental right of the citizens to protest and exercise this right.
Sure. And it accomplished nothing- if anything, it emboldened the far right who now know that they can accelerate their plans and AT BEST only be met with a “peaceful protest” on a Saturday (if the weather’s nice).
Meanwhile, while No Kings was happening, 4 members of democratic leadership were shot in their homes. They were racking up a body count while “the resistance” was congratulating itself for going outside and holding a sign on a weekend.
Even if a movement went all “blood and violence” it wouldn’t be done in a day. What makes you so certain that something is useless just because it doesn’t immediately solve everything?
It’s the lack of follow up protests, the lack of figure heads setpping up to champion the cause.
It happened and then nothing. Sure there’s small things here and there.
But functionally it was a good start and brought a lot of momentum. Which has promptly been squandered.
Who is our gandi, or MLK Jr, who’s speaking out rallying more protests. Who’s willing to actually turn those masses into something actually impactful instead of a history book factoid.
Are you implying that what happened at No Kings was, if not escalating, even ONGOING?
Lemmy Canadians have a real problem when it comes to being completely self centered assholes.
You aren’t that far removed from U.S. citizens and your shit stinks too.
We’ve been friends with the US for years.
Then they hired a felon, pedophile, rapist to shit in our poutine.
I’m perfectly fine being called a self centred asshole for being mad about this and laughing as the USA eats it’s own head.
Have a nice day.
You aren’t that far removed from U.S. citizens and your shit stinks too.
- Canada gets most of its food from the U.S. . 2) Laughing at us means laughing at yourself, you’re now positioned squarely between the U.S. and Russia — and the U.S. definitely controls your southern border. Did I mention that the U.S. is where you get most of your food and that the U.S. has military dominance in the region? How many Canadians do you think will starve before any legitimate help arrives?
There are many emotions to be had about this, schadenfreude has to be the most intellectually devoid one. My, still very much a child, nephew could understand that.
Yes, getting defensive online is the best possible use of your energy right now.
If the protests were pointless, then why would trump bother to build up the military in cities? Seems to me that the military buildup is to discourage more protests, because they are not pointless.
Was he not going to do that anyway?
This is the stupidest take.
If anything, you’re arguing that the protests accomplished none of the goals of the protestors, and only managed to escalate and incite a response that was a “warning” that worse will come if we don’t keep it up.
So… it still seems fucking pointless to me? Like for fucks sake, we’re all just waiting for him to die of natural causes and hope that the coalition falls apart, doing a whole bunch of pointless shit until then because we all know that violence is the only way to remove him at this point.
Naive fucks. The people who support him are just as committed to keeping power.
It’s good to see people politically animated, but these protests are largely ‘controlled opposition’. It’s an emergency venting valve where the people’s frustration is channeled into a meaningless whistle.
The whole system is rotted. The democrats are not fighting for the small folk at all. If anything, a branch of the party is probably relieved that the republicans moved the overton window so far right.
Real change will require actual upheaval. You can’t vote or protest your way out of this shit. Major civilian disobedience and unionizing is required across the board. There are some of us (working class) that are doing some tedial unassuming maintenance in the orphan crushing machine. We won’t get anywhere as long as people are operating their evil cog as normal. These protests won’t do anything as long as it’s being directed through the democrat pressure valve, as it is built in as a safety device in the orphan crushing machine.
Major civilian disobedience and unionizing is required across the board.
The only way we get there is by getting people out of their houses, away from controlled media, and aware that they’re not alone. Without active, live, out-in-public protest, nobody will feel emboldened to take more radical action; they’ll feel like a lone actor and probably not even start. Civil action en-masse comes first.
No one disputes the need to get people in the street. I agree with you there.
My cautionary tale is that turning to democrats or other mainstream ““resistance”” is a trap meant to deflate popular morale.
Im not alone? Thank goodness, my rent is coming up in 19 days and its the vast majority of my income. Its gonna be nice to have help paying it.
Awesome. And what did it do?
Oh yeah, nothing
Any protest will not do anything unless it becomes violent or if it doesn’t stop until change has been enacted
Everyone had a good time, then went home and nothing was changed.
Eventually the fascist will infiltrate and incite violence so they can move in and kill.
And when they do, they need to be met by the same violence. It takes an awful lot to fight fascism, and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone, but that is where USA is. Innocent people are going to die before it gets better.
Because we’re still all under the delusion that we live in a civilized country with laws and fairness.
I think if people here had ever actually been in a fascist dictatorship before, those marches wouldn’t have ended with everyone going home and sharing pictures on social media, it would have ended with capitol buildings set ablaze and an embarrassed and disheveled president being dragged out to a military tribunal or locked in a jail cell until trial.
You know, the thing that actually happens in places where this has happened before.
Good, and we will do it again and again!
While media attention is often focused on actors acquiescing to Trump’s demands, in the streets the popular protest movement continues to push back against the administration with notable persistence over time.
No lie, that’s some good news.
