I know that’s not how jurisdiction legally works on paper, but in practice, if ICE can come in and kidnap people off the street at gunpoint and the law enforcement with legal jurisdiction is unwilling to use lethal force to protect their citizens, ICE effectively has jurisdiction. I’d similarly say cartels have effective jurisdiction in parts of Mexico.
“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
Using words that far outside their dictionary or conventional meanings is a not a path to clear communication.
Separately, I checked, and I can no longer find the map of ICE jurisdiction that I was remembering, and as far as I can tell ICE’s current jurisdiction is anywhere federal law applies, including Oklahoma. So, I was definitely wrong there.
I inferred from context that you meant that because they don’t have jurisdiction, they can’t arrest people. If that inference was wrong, so be it, but it was a reasonable one.
If they were following the law and don’t have jurisdiction, they can’t arrest people. But, (a) this administration doesn’t follow the law and (b) they do have jurisdiction. So, whatever I meant, I was clearly wrong. 🤣 😢
I know that’s not how jurisdiction legally works on paper, but in practice, if ICE can come in and kidnap people off the street at gunpoint and the law enforcement with legal jurisdiction is unwilling to use lethal force to protect their citizens, ICE effectively has jurisdiction. I’d similarly say cartels have effective jurisdiction in parts of Mexico.
You sound like Humpty Dumpty:
Using words that far outside their dictionary or conventional meanings is a not a path to clear communication.
Separately, I checked, and I can no longer find the map of ICE jurisdiction that I was remembering, and as far as I can tell ICE’s current jurisdiction is anywhere federal law applies, including Oklahoma. So, I was definitely wrong there.
I inferred from context that you meant that because they don’t have jurisdiction, they can’t arrest people. If that inference was wrong, so be it, but it was a reasonable one.
If they were following the law and don’t have jurisdiction, they can’t arrest people. But, (a) this administration doesn’t follow the law and (b) they do have jurisdiction. So, whatever I meant, I was clearly wrong. 🤣 😢