• MisterOwl@lemmy.world
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    Can’t say for sure the documentary is 100% accurate, but if it’s to be believed, many smart people tried to tell this guy his stupid sub was unsafe many times, but he consistently ignored all of them, because arrogance and vanity.

    oh no anyway.jpg

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      If fired anyone that told him it was unsafe and surrounded himself by yes men/women. This was bound to happen.

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      My wife is obsessed with this event and 2nd hand I’ve heard most of the facts on this. There were red flags everywhere. You didn’t have to be a sub expert to know that was a ticking time bomb, but unfortunately the crucial data that could’ve saved those lives was continually buried. There’s actually a lot of similarity between the Oceangate scandal and Theranos.

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        Wasn’t Theronos more of a cut and dry scam?

        Oceangate wasn’t a really scam, more like the CEO thought his shit didn’t smell and got himself killed over this.

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          Without knowing what was in the mind of Elizabeth Holmes (Theranos) it really did seem like the “fake it till you make it” mantra went on way too long. I mostly say the two cases are similar because many smart people within those companies knew things were wrong and tried to speak up but the execs continually shut down any negative talk with zero acknowledgement of the issues.

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            “Fake it till you make it” is how most scams start. Most people aren’t looking to actually run a ponzi scheme, they just quickly get in iver their head. She knew her product didn’t work and continued to market it anyway. Thats a scam.

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            Ah, I see what you mean.

            Personally, I think they switched to scamming pretty early (medicine is one area where IMO “fake it till you make” doesn’t work), but never figured out a proper exit strategy for the scam.

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          Thats still a scam. A scam is not in the eye of the shithead doing it, its based on unjust enrichment that deprives the victims of the value promised and whatever value they handed over in exchange

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      Of course but it was still “speculation”, proper investigations and incident reports are necessities.

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      In November they’re gonna release another report and next time they’ll come to the conclusion that negligence caused the tragedy

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        And in January a YouTuber will make a video telling the whole story of how they used an video game controller to steer it and how the billionaires son didn’t wanna go and how the billionaire was negligent and people quit over safety concerns.

        BREAKING: They were visiting the Titanic.

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    Wow, he ignored the flaws? I’m so glad for this new report, the plethora of previous reports didn’t already tell us that at all!

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      Even funnier: This news article is so well written/edited, that the headline doesn’t even state that he ignored the flaws; It clearly states that he ignored the sub itself. Truly the pinnacle of journalism.

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    There’s documentary on Netflix showing how ignorant and self absordbed the dude was.

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      Oddly AI probably would’ve caught the warning signs just fine. LLMs are stupid but people can be just as bad if not worse

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        That guy would probably have continued regardless, even if some AI would have said: Danger hull collapse imminent!, he would just have disabled the alarm.

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    Sucks that he took others lives but it should be required that every CEO be out front on the products or services they sell.

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      Especially when they sell self-driving cars that crash and spaceships that explode. At least Stockton Rush’s hubris took care of the problem for him.

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    What a heartwarming tale of billionaire hubris.

    I have a dream one day this is something all billionaires will have the chance to experience!

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      Maybe there is a reason they are looking at space travel vs deep sea travel, space has more protections.

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      Yeah, I remember reading a past article about how the CEO was repeatedly informed about critical issues with this sub, but he didn’t seem to care. At least he was among those who died. If he hadn’t been aboard this sub, would he have changed his tune? All I know about this guy is that he was a scumbag CEO who ignored vital safety issues, so I’m going to guess “hell no.”

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        Who would think building a sub out of parts you get from like homedepot with a wirelress controller would idono not be safe…

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      Yeah but government disaster reports are supposed to be slow. It’s every i dotted, every t crossed, and the providence of every screw investigated. Oftentimes the root cause is what everyone knew already, but the report is meant to leave no doubt and to label every step of failure so that people can recognize and resolve intermediate level causes and understand the immediate causes.

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    I made a deep sea sub out of lumber from Home Depot. Almost done carving the rudder.

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      Lol. I actually did use home depot lumber for a rudder. Just shape the bastard with a sawzall and sander, then lacquer the ever loving shit out of the thing. It’ll be fine for years. I’m sure there’s absolutely no difference between a pleasure sailboat for a half acre pond and a submersible going down to the ocean floor.

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        “Just a kid” from a multimillionaire family, don’t tell me he wouldn’t have grown up to be a piece of shit like the rest of them. Each ticket was over 200 000$, instead of spending it on some wanker’s ego project they could’ve done some good with the money

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    Let’s stop tip toeing around the correct term…

    Criminal negligence

    1. (1) Every one is criminally negligent who
    (a) in doing anything, or
    (b) in omitting to do anything that it is his duty to do, shows wanton or reckless disregard for the lives or safety of other persons.