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01: A girl labeled ‘Artists’ is holding a drawing tablet and pen under her arm. She is wearing round glasses and a blue sweatshirt. She has messy dark-brown hair and a brown skin-tone. She says “We don’t really wanna MAKE A.I. art.”
02: A guy labeled ‘Art Enjoyers’ holds his hand out while speaking. She is wearing a purple and yellow hawaiian shirt with a floral pattern over a white t-shirt, and has red hair and a light skin-tone. He says “We don’t really wanna SEE A.I. art.”
03: Behind them both, there is a cute girl in a business suit with a pink tie. She is blushing a bit and has pink eyeshadow, and looks upset. Her messy shoulder-length hair is parted in the middle, and held by two hairclips: one that looks like a red arrow pointing down, and one that looks like a green arrow pointing up. She says “Um … I-Isn’t there someone you forgot to ask?” She is labeled ‘Shareholders’.
04: She puffs up her cheeks and pouts, a tear is on the verge of falling from one of her eyes. ‘Artist Enjoyers’ Guy is now in front of her yelling “AH!! SHAREHOLDERS-CHAN!!” while ‘Artists’ Girl is in front of her yelling “WE’RE SORRY WE HURT YOU!!!”
I’ve never had a problem with using assistants.” Damien Hirst
If he and Warhol are allowed skilled assistants, why not me? Are these artists stealing?
OK, two things:
Skilled assistants are actually skilled assistants. LLMs are not.
You are specifically saying that you don’t want to develop skill. Once you do, then you can take on assistants and train them. You’ve explicitly stated you don’t have the skill where an assistant would be useful. Sure, you can hire someone to make art for you, but they aren’t an assistant. They’re doing the work and you aren’t. They’re the artist, you’re just paying them.
Stop complaining and just learn how to make art. No one was born with the skill or talent. They just practiced and learned. You want to skip this and act like you’re still doing anything interesting or useful. You aren’t. You can, you just refuse to and still want to be treated like you are.
LMMs/diffusion models can do something I cannot, that takes lots of training to perfect. That’s a skill.
The artist is the idea generator, not the labourer. Architects are the artists. Construction workers not.
I can learn using AI.
Yeah, this isn’t even worth a response. Lol.
lol
Well those artists consented to being assistants and having their works used. Not so much with these image training databases
We are discussing if I’m an artist by using diffusion models, not if training data has been fairly compensated.
The answer is no. You’re not an artist.
Then how am I different from Warhol and Hirst who are artists?
They’re not artists, they’re grifters, you’re no different.
Artists are grifters.
To avoid paying restaurant bills, Dalí would draw on the backs of cheques.
Michelangelo faked an ancient Roman sculpture, buried it to age it, then sold it as a rare antique.
Yves Klein sold “invisible art"
Elmyr de Hory forged Matisse, Picasso, Modigliani etc.
No, grifters are grifters, people can be more than one thing. They made art, they also grifted, they were separate things. AI is only a grift.
AI is a grift, but it can also produce art.
Fuck Andy Warhol and Damien Hurst, I would definitely say the only kind of artists they were is con-artists. They ripped off talent and took credit for what others did. Fuck them.
Ok. Your opinion is entirely consistent with hating “AI artists”. But it does fall in the “That’s not art” argument that has been continual throughout time.
There is no such thing as an AI artist. Point blank.
The art was art, in regards to those two fucks, it just wasn’t their art. They were con men putting their names on the work of others. AI “art”, however, simply is not art, it’s not even AI, it’s just theft processed through algorithms.
If you want to make art then you have to actually make something. LLMs and dispersion models are just plagiarism and procedural generation, you are literally not creating a fucking thing with it, you’re just using software.
Is collage plagiarism? Are found objects not art?
LLMs and dispersion models don’t necessarily create good art, but they do create art.
I disagree.
About collage and found objects?
Are you playing dumb or are you just genuinely that fucking stupid?
Generation of AI art is analogous to collages of found objects.
Can you critique that statement?