Or other countries that might be watching his descent into authoritarianism and asking questions about doing business with a man on a human rights watch list if he is continuing to crack down for no reason.
Or the part of his base that might have otherwise been taking notice of the Epstein birthday book released yesterday, and the note about purchasing at woman from Epstein with a giant check under a picture of him standing with Epstein and the check.
Or the part of their base composed of farmers starting to ask questions about wtf they’re supposed to do with all of these crops China isn’t buying
Or maybe even the members of the national guard who are reportedly having second thoughts about being used as pawns by this administration
But why tf think this guy might ever try taking advantage of optics during an event like this to help stabilize his shaky support?
There are violent means to end fascism and authoritarianism and nonviolent means, but in all cases it has more to do with building massive support from people who aren’t in the cult, not converting the cultists themselves into non-believers using rational argument.
What does this actually change for fascists? How does taking out Charlie Kirk change the course of the future in favor of the left?
When people on the left were run over by a psychotic asshole on the right in Charlottesville, did the left shrink back or did they rally behind the people that were attacked?
When people on the left were run over by a psychotic asshole on the right in Charlottesville, did the left shrink back or did they rally behind the people that were attacked?
There are a number of ways that this is an inept comparison, but ultimately it doesn’t matter. It’s not relevant to what we were talking about.
You aren’t converting cultists back to normal using rational debate and discourse. 1) that’s just largely not how the human brain works, and 2) if rational discourse and debate decultified people the cult would be empty by now instead of swelling up with new members.
We live in a time of abundance of discourse and debate bro antics (this dude used to be a ringleader at those circuses) and it is more fascist and culty than ever.
Compare any in group’s support for war and bloodlust pre and post an attack on a member of their perceived in group by a member of the perceived out-group.
Or don’t. I’m sure this will fix everything and we can only go up from here.
I’m just not going to be particularly upset about this, and I also don’t share your view that if it hadn’t happened we were right on the brink of defeating fascism and this sent “the cause” some large distance backwards.
People are being kidnapped and disappeared daily. There are troops in DC and LA and they’re planning to send them to other cities. Trump is using our military to commit war crimes without so much as even a wink and a nod from congress. The only thing we’re “on the brink” of is a government sponsored domestic genocide.
Lost me at
Right, so…someone bought them cover from all that accountability that is going around from the…democrats, or the Supreme Court, or the military, or?
Or other countries that might be watching his descent into authoritarianism and asking questions about doing business with a man on a human rights watch list if he is continuing to crack down for no reason.
Or the part of his base that might have otherwise been taking notice of the Epstein birthday book released yesterday, and the note about purchasing at woman from Epstein with a giant check under a picture of him standing with Epstein and the check.
Or the part of their base composed of farmers starting to ask questions about wtf they’re supposed to do with all of these crops China isn’t buying
Or maybe even the members of the national guard who are reportedly having second thoughts about being used as pawns by this administration
But why tf think this guy might ever try taking advantage of optics during an event like this to help stabilize his shaky support?
I don’t know why everyone thinks people are talked out of being fascists eventually. That’s a completely ahistorical viewpoint.
Even in the “they thought they were free” interviews after Hitler some of the subjects were still kinda fucking pro-Hitler.
They will find a way to continue to love dear leader even if their entire lives and country are ruined.
I’d love to be wrong about this, but I just don’t see that I am.
Yes, there is no middle ground between talking to and using a sniper rifle from 200 yards away.
Not what I said at all.
There are violent means to end fascism and authoritarianism and nonviolent means, but in all cases it has more to do with building massive support from people who aren’t in the cult, not converting the cultists themselves into non-believers using rational argument.
What does this actually change for fascists? How does taking out Charlie Kirk change the course of the future in favor of the left?
When people on the left were run over by a psychotic asshole on the right in Charlottesville, did the left shrink back or did they rally behind the people that were attacked?
There’s one less of them.
There are a number of ways that this is an inept comparison, but ultimately it doesn’t matter. It’s not relevant to what we were talking about.
You aren’t converting cultists back to normal using rational debate and discourse. 1) that’s just largely not how the human brain works, and 2) if rational discourse and debate decultified people the cult would be empty by now instead of swelling up with new members.
We live in a time of abundance of discourse and debate bro antics (this dude used to be a ringleader at those circuses) and it is more fascist and culty than ever.
Compare any in group’s support for war and bloodlust pre and post an attack on a member of their perceived in group by a member of the perceived out-group.
Or don’t. I’m sure this will fix everything and we can only go up from here.
I’m just not going to be particularly upset about this, and I also don’t share your view that if it hadn’t happened we were right on the brink of defeating fascism and this sent “the cause” some large distance backwards.
People are being kidnapped and disappeared daily. There are troops in DC and LA and they’re planning to send them to other cities. Trump is using our military to commit war crimes without so much as even a wink and a nod from congress. The only thing we’re “on the brink” of is a government sponsored domestic genocide.