I’m calling it now. Trump can’t seem to get people mad enough to violently resist him, so some MAGA zealots will take some pot shots at guardsman in a false flag operation so hat Trump can invoke the Insurrection Act and become dictator for life.
Here’s my understanding, though I could have missed something while trying to navigate the law. In order for Trump to be able to pull this with the national guard, he needs the consent and authorization of the Governor. He would never get this from blue states, so I imagine the goal is to have red states hand him free power, then target the blue areas within that state. Once we’ve normalized it a bit, it’s easier to force it on the remaining states.
Yeah, it’s tough to navigate if, like me, you’re not a lawyer. I’ve been doing a bit of reading on this today and I don’t think he’ll need the governor’s permission. If he can cause enough chaos and violence to justify invoking the insurrection act. That act says, in part:
§333. Interference with State and Federal law
The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it—
(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.
This is really terrifying. First, because the law does not clearly define what conditions must exist for the law to be invokes. “Insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy” - Could this be more vague? And second because of the phrase, “or by any other means.” He can use literally any other means he chooses. Remember when he told the proud boys to stand back and stand by? Well by invoking this act he could directly arm them and order them to go into a state or city to quell whatever he has decided is an insurrection.
And if your wondering whether or not he would invoke this act? Remember that back in January of this year he issued an Executive Order that included this tidbit.
Within 90 days of the date of this proclamation, the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Homeland Security shall submit a joint report to the President about the conditions at the southern border of the United States and any recommendations regarding additional actions that may be necessary to obtain complete operational control of the southern border, including whether to invoke the Insurrection Act of 1807. [Emphasis mine]
So he’s already tried to find an excuse to invoke it. Now he’s trying to manufacture an excuse.
I assume it’s because he’ll receive the least resistance, or even affirmative assistance, there. Once that’s been normalized he’ll move to do it in blue States and point to his “successes” so far to sell it.
they’ll start with red states and go after blue counties/cities within them. the conservatives will be fed propaganda about how the liberals are protecting criminals in their own state and blah blah, this will further entrench MAGA and conservatives in general, and resistance will be used to justify spreading the deployment to more states, namely blue ones.
They will hunt immigrants in red states. If blue states start protesting they will be deployed there to fight it. Once it’s normalized they will be deployed anywhere it benefits the government.
I’m calling it now. Trump can’t seem to get people mad enough to violently resist him, so some MAGA zealots will take some pot shots at guardsman in a false flag operation so hat Trump can invoke the Insurrection Act and become dictator for life.
Here’s my understanding, though I could have missed something while trying to navigate the law. In order for Trump to be able to pull this with the national guard, he needs the consent and authorization of the Governor. He would never get this from blue states, so I imagine the goal is to have red states hand him free power, then target the blue areas within that state. Once we’ve normalized it a bit, it’s easier to force it on the remaining states.
Yeah, it’s tough to navigate if, like me, you’re not a lawyer. I’ve been doing a bit of reading on this today and I don’t think he’ll need the governor’s permission. If he can cause enough chaos and violence to justify invoking the insurrection act. That act says, in part:
This is really terrifying. First, because the law does not clearly define what conditions must exist for the law to be invokes. “Insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy” - Could this be more vague? And second because of the phrase, “or by any other means.” He can use literally any other means he chooses. Remember when he told the proud boys to stand back and stand by? Well by invoking this act he could directly arm them and order them to go into a state or city to quell whatever he has decided is an insurrection.
And if your wondering whether or not he would invoke this act? Remember that back in January of this year he issued an Executive Order that included this tidbit.
So he’s already tried to find an excuse to invoke it. Now he’s trying to manufacture an excuse.
Yep, you’ve landed right where I did by trying to learn the legal loopholes. We’re in for a wild ride no matter what.
I assume it’s because he’ll receive the least resistance, or even affirmative assistance, there. Once that’s been normalized he’ll move to do it in blue States and point to his “successes” so far to sell it.
Its a power consolidation move.
One - as other commenter said he’ll go after blue havens in the red states
Two - it normalizes troops in the street for “his people” leading to greater complacency.
Three: when the red states don’t balk at the deployments, he can use that as ammo when he sends them to a blue state and they resist.
they’ll start with red states and go after blue counties/cities within them. the conservatives will be fed propaganda about how the liberals are protecting criminals in their own state and blah blah, this will further entrench MAGA and conservatives in general, and resistance will be used to justify spreading the deployment to more states, namely blue ones.
Red states, but they are going to be showing up in the blue cities in those states
The Battles of Atlanta, New Orleans, and Austin are gonna be chaotic nightmares
That’s a really good point.
They will hunt immigrants in red states. If blue states start protesting they will be deployed there to fight it. Once it’s normalized they will be deployed anywhere it benefits the government.
Secure the areas he’s strong in to prepare for Balkanization?