Tldr lower. So there’s (yet again) another flurry of communities that are all crossposting each other’s content with this hentai stuff.
Aside from a lot of this being made with AI, it is in essence soft porn and I don’t want it in /all.
I usually write a comment under such posts saying
Set your comm to NSFW pls
Rarely the mod write “Done” and that’s it. Often it is downvoted, and now it’s also just removed by mod for (I wouldn’t know the reason as it’s on a different instance to mine)
https://lemmy.world/post/33972247
TLDR; I don’t want my all feed to be a soft porn feed, is there anyway of not having these hentai soft porn communities in all, apart from individually blocking them (which doesn’t really work, as they keep making more communities).
The only way All works is by either manually blocking individual communities or manually blocking certain instances.
Once you’re done, it’s mostly fine, but like you say, new ones do pop up.
There’s ONE GUY who runs like 20 different AI porn communities and keeps creating more.
Why am I not surprised that the most sensible response comes from one of the more awesome mods on this platform
o7 sir, thanks for acknowledging my point and chiming in.
Hey, I was in your boat when I started on Lemmy 2 years ago.
“Wow, that’s a lot of furry porn. And gay porn. And gay, furry porn.”
Not gonna judge, if that’s your thing, it’s your thing, it’s just not MY thing…
Exactly what I’ve done. Set my settings to NSFW, blocked most of the “soft” communities like hot girls and moe anime girls and whatever else (blocking the Lemmy nsfw instance is a great place to start), and I use All frequently. That’s how I’ve found all the communities I’ve subscribed to, but frankly, my /all feed is small enough that I usually see all my subscribed communities anyway.
Everyone calm yer tits
*jumps*
I mean…that doesn’t really seem that bad? Also, asking for the whole community to be nsfw is a wild overreaction looking at the other pictures in the community.
If you browse the all feed, expect to see some things you don’t like/enjoy. It’s a fire hose of content by design. Learn to curate your subscribed feed and stick to it. Frankly, lemmy doesn’t have great filters/blocks to do what you want, and expecting the whole rest of the internet to abide by such strict standards of nsfw isn’t going to happen.
PieFed has a “Hide posts in communities with these words in their name” filter for exactly this scenario.
That function doesn’t seem to function properly btw. I have tried with “meme” and “politics” and communities with those words in them still keep popping into my feed on PieFed.
Fixed now!
Go to https://piefed.social/user/settings/filters and save the form to flush a cache and then the fix will kick in.
Impressive
weeell, maybe more impressive if I’d tested it better weeks ago, but I’ll take the W
😄
Amazing! I did not expect that outcome from my comment
I can’t believe y’all 🤣
This is clearly a mostly non offensive example.
Would you like me to head into my feed and find some furry porn not marked nsfw? Just send me your work address. 🙄
That’s your example of softcore porn? There’s much racier content on magazine covers in the grocery checkout line. Stop trying to impose your puritanical aesthetic on the rest of the world. It’s called /all for a reason. What’s wrong with you?!
I feel like you’ve missed the point entirely.
I’ve responded to the top comment to address the flaws in that argument.
It’s also bad because of the UK online safety act. I don’t want our flamingo to be at risk :(
I occasionally see similar complaints, and I’m sure it’s legitimate for some users. But personally I don’t get it. I don’t block NSFW content, and yet I rarely see it in /all. When I do it’s usually a bunch at once, but like I said it doesn’t happen a lot.
The only thing in /all that used to bother me is the sports stuff, but by blocking a single community that’s mostly gone now.
The subscription tab exists for this very reason. Stop being a selfish prick and trying to curate /ALL
No! Those who posts unmarked NSFW are the ones that should stop being a selfish prick and mark it as NSFW
The example OP has giving isn’t even NSFW though, so no tag is warranted.
Softcore porn is absolutely NSFW for many people.
They better not go outside then.
Lota of people dress lightly in public, not to mention public art and adverts show quite a lot.
We have several statues of nude men and women in my city!
Requiring that social media be more “sanitized” than normal public life is ridiculous.
Well since you obviously didn’t open the link, it’s a girl in a fully covered bikini. Literally not softcore anything, it’s as racy as sports illustrated.
Just because there’s no nudity doesn’t mean it’s safe-for-work. This would absolutely make my female colleagues uncomfortable and that falls under the spirit of NSFW. Getting pedantic about what is or isn’t pornographic or nudity to justify having gross pictures up on your screen is entirely beside the point – if there’s any reason it could contribute to a less equitable workplace, it should be labeled NSFW. If there’s any debate about it at all, it’s the considerate thing to do.
NSFW is cultural shorthand for porn or graphic content. It’s not a literal guideline for what’s acceptable in every single workplace. Should ACAB posts be labeled NSFW because saying that at my workplace in the US south would make a hell of a lot of people uncomfortable?
And why are you browsing Lemmy at work in full view of passing coworkers? Is it that lax that you can just openly fuck around and your only concern is someone might see a girl in a bikini?
If the ACAB post is just words, then no. If it’s imagery of people being beaten by cops, then yes. There’s no need to argue extremes to make the point seem ridiculous – just use judgment and be kind.
It’s about being considerate; that’s where the conversation starts and ends, so don’t get sidetracked or focus on semantics. It does not matter why someone is browsing any website at their place of work, so let’s not even bring that into the conversation. NFSW is meant to help people view content at work/in public by making it avoidable. It’s a communication from the author/community to the audience that the content may or may not be inappropriate – that’s it. If it’s debatable and isn’t tagged, that’s inconsiderate and a request to tag it should be treated with consideration and kindness (barring trolls, which OP clearly isn’t).
But that’s just my opinion, and I acknowledge yours is different.
… where do you work that sports illustrated isn’t considered NSFW? Seriously I’d get fired out of a cannon if I was caught browsing it at work, this seems kinda disingenuous to imply it’s not NSFW just because it’s not explicit.
Why does your work have cannons
Why are they human-sized barrels
and finally
How do i get a job thereIt wasn’t in my building, but the maintenance building was on the same campus and they were for triggering avalanches. I think you’d probably have to be chopped up pretty fine to fit in them though (I think we can all agree that would be NSFW content…) but you could probably manage it. And man, IDK. The DOT howitzers teams are never hiring, believe me I check regularly.
It’s legally sold to minors, available in grocery stores, hell I’ve seen them sitting on a rack in doctor’s offices.
NSFW is the terminology we use for actual explicit material, that’s the point. It’s a shorthand. Getting overly literal about how ‘work’ should be applied to the context is like arguing that all FPS games are actually RPGs because you’re ‘playing the role’ of some character.
No, NSFW is terminology we use for content that might get you in trouble for browsing at work. Just because you use it differently doesn’t change the definition.
I’ve seen worse images as people’s office wallpaper/screensaver.
Okay, but you do understand that most people don’t work in an environment where that would be considered at all acceptable right?
Most employers would be pretty unhappy with you publicly reading the Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition.
And they would be fine with you publicly browsing Lemmy on the clock?
If you really wouldn’t want a coworker seeing it, it’s NSFW I would say. Personally I think someone even seeing a forum that looks like Reddit open on your work computer is a bit NSFW, but that’s what the tag is for.
That image is 100% NSFW
You’re somewhat correct of course but the NSFW tag exists for a reason. If there is one entire category of /all you can just filter out due to lack of interest, it should be stuff like that. Maybe at some point we’ll also get an ‘AI’ tag.
The pro of being able to ‘safely’, for lack of a better term, browse /all is being able to discover stuff that you are not subscribed to, stuff you might not find otherwise.
And I think everyone here can agree that any of these subs that are focused on explicit material should absolutely be pressured into setting the sub NSFW.
The part that has people against the OP is that he’s claiming a girl in a relatively modest bikini should be flagged NSFW, and that a sub for non-explicit anime pics should have to adopt the NSFW label, which seems excessive to me.
I’m on an instance that blocks nsfw instances. Because I don’t want porn in my feed.
I DO want the anime girls though.
Are you suggesting I should deal with a feed full porn in order to get that?
So you’re good with everything except the nipple? I mean, I’m not even particularly hardline about this topic, that just seems like a really really niche use case that you want catered to
I’m good with nipples. And porn for that matter. I just don’t want it in my feed.
I have nipples in my phone wallpaper rotation. Female ones. But the relevant pieces fall into the artistic rather than pornographic category.
NSFW is a insanely fuzzy concept that allows you to draw the line essentially anywhere. It’s why I’m on an instance that blocks porn, rather than just using an account with nsfw tagged content disabled. Because that way I can keep nsfw enabled, and not miss stuff I want to see, because some people will mark stuff I would never in my wildest dreams think is nsfw.
Or they just use it to mark spoilered content, nevermind that people with nsfw disabled wont then see the post at all.
My instance manually blocks instances and communities that are pornographic. Because that’s literally the only way this can work.
There will always be someone who thinks any given piece of content should/shouldn’t be considered nsfw.
It’s a gradient that allows you to slightly lean in one direction or the other, saying it should “at least” do anything isn’t useful. It does not draw a clear line, and there is no way to shift online culture so that it could.
So… nothing being presented here would affect you at all, then? If you don’t have NSFW content blocked, and your instance manually reviews blocked instances, marking softcore stuff as NSFW wouldn’t change how you interact with that content (unless your instance is overly zealous in blocking). So what’s the problem here?
I run a ton of these communities.
And I care about the fediverse as a whole.
Marking an entire category of content as nsfw because a tiny minority can’t be bothered to block it themselves, without good reason, will immediately kneecap community and content discovery.
I saw this in the numbers immediately.
I do still use the feature. And I calibrate the line of what is and what is not, based on votes, comments and reports.
One, single, upset person, is not reason enough cut off dozens or hundreds of people from encountering content they might like.
Okay sure, but why are we considering the people who don’t want to see that content as worth less than the people who do? For that matter, why is engagement more important to you than curating an appreciative audience? People are railing against people that downvote in /all as well, but what’s the alternative to express that they don’t want to see that content - blocking entire instances is an overly broad approach except in some specific cases (lemmy.nsfw for example) and blocking community by community is exhausting, given how many new highly specific “anime moe tiddy thigh-gap colored hair” communities crop up daily. Downvoting expresses disinterest, and it’s apparently common enough to see things you’re not interested in that “not downvoting in /all” is being pushed as basic courtesy. Asking them to tag things NSFW, or even just bringing out a different tag that isn’t blocked by default (which god, we really need even if just for spoilers) is a perfectly valid request that at the very least solves the downvoting problem, among others (it’s hard to bring on new users when a site gets a reputation for being overrun with anime fanservice communities, for example)
Nobody really seems to be pointing out that you are on an instance that does not require the behavior you are requesting.
I thought this community is for discussions about the Fediverse and not limited to any particular instance.
Yes, but there are no (cannot be) any content rules that apply to the entire fediverse, the admins of each instance determine what experience their users will have.
Not everyone is seeing the same posts you are seeing, and your instance has no rules on the topic. You could have more luck enacting change by messaging your admins or making a meta post in your instance’s meta community.
I’m a bit baffled at how many people are misunderstanding my post.
This is not instance related. This is just an additional NSFW type of filter. Please reread the OP or my other comments.
I see, then what you’re asking for is sadly impossible.
Also FWIW I do not have the same issue as you. Not sure why!
I haven’t noticed that so I probably blocked them long ago. You have to do some maintenance on the feed but these things do not pop up constantly.
You’re a… brave person, posting this on Lemmy of all places. The only thing more dangerous would posting the word f*ck OH SHIT LOOK OUT HERE THEY COME!
I feel ya, some of the posts you said that on, probably should be NSFW. But not a romantic kiss imho. Other sites solved this ages ago with explicit, questionable and safe tags.
I think it’s ridiculous that Lemmy adopted the binary NSFW option from Reddit. With the Ukraine war and people posting videos as NSFW with body parts laying around. I don’t want to see the anime pictures in the same bucket as that either.
There needs to be more tags and that would make everyone happy.
Often it is downvoted
Also, can we please agree that is really poor netiquette to downvote posts that you are not subscribing to? If you are not subscribed to a community, you should have no saying whether the content is relevant to the community or not.
Instead of downvoting, hide posts you don’t want the content on your feed or report it if it actually improper content. Downvoting things just because you saw it on all is hostile af.
No. Some communities I don’t want to see regularly, but I know how the community works.
Some communities I don’t want to see regularly
And your solution to that is browsing by /all?
Huh, I browse Subscribed regularly, All I don’t? When a post doesn’t belong in a community I know (ie regardless of subscription status) I vote down.
You took my comment way too literally, then. What I am asking is for people that browse by /all to stop downvoting everything they see, as if there were trying to train some algorithm.
This can’t be real?
Take a look at these and tell me if these people are down voting because they are interested in the community or they are just trying to bury posts they don’t like:
There is no evidence for algorithm-based voting and those are mostly controversial posts which discuss the very acceptance of LLMs into a program, ie there is no guarantee that they belong into the respective community.
What? That people browse by /all and downvote everything they don’t like? You can bet that this is standard practice. I’ve argued with a good number of people who treat the /all feed just as a regular feed and feel completely justified in downvoting anything they don’t personally like.
I think it’s a habit carried over from reddit’s algo, which would rank communities you downvote as less likely to be shown to you. People don’t really understand how the /all algo works on lemmy (which as I understand it is just the most recently interacted things on the network, blatted out of a hose?)
It is 100% a bad habit inherited from Reddit, and this is one of the many reasons that I wish Fediverse developers stopped trying to emulate the closed platforms and started using ActivityPub as a powerful social graph to be shared by a single client.
I think it might be too early in the life of the fediverse to completely dispense with the underlaying concept - we’ve only barely gotten enough users to have unique-to-lemmy content - but it’s an interesting article & a similarly interesting take. Certainly something should be done to increase new communities ‘discoverability’ to the broad userbase. The current
/allalgo is already a huge improvement over the very early days, so there’s probably value in developing the idea further (including potentially adopting that social graph idea, though implementation would be… difficult, while maintaining the decentralized control the fediverse was explicitly designed to have)Phanpy (a client for Mastodon) is showing that we can have the customization and discoverability happening in-device. Decentralization would improve if we stop relying on this platform-centric approach and started building on generic ActivityPub servers.
Anyway, sorry for the tangent. I feel like that this generation of developers just keep making the mistakes from the past when they could instead learn from the elders.
Nah it’s a genuinely interesting tangent, and I do agree that there’s a great deal still to be done to really get the most out of AP as a protocol. I worry that adoption for non-platformed methods of interaction would be extremely low, just because of the increased barrier to entry. Part of the reason I’m on Lemmy instead of finishing my own AP browsing application is just the time investment that I’m unwilling to put in, and as customization goes up the time cost of configuring your setup similarly increases. But I do agree that there’s a better solution than what we have now.
I meant my request to mark the community as NSFW is being downvoted, which I understand.
I downvote the post only if the mod just removes my request, which I think is mod abuse.
I downvote the post only if the mod just removes my request, which I think is mod abuse.
Then block the community, report to the admin if the community is not respecting the instance rules and carry on with your day. Downvoting is just some passive-aggressive way of expressing your disapproval for the tastes/interests of the community members.
You’ll find that admin == mod == post OP in a lot of these cases
Plenty of other people have said it, and I’ll repeat it: Stop browsing by /all. Find a handful of communities you want to subscribe to, and stick with those.
There is a fair point to make that it’s instances that should default to /local instead of /all - at least for uncredentialed guests. Since if you want to see more, you can just get to the next instance, and the next, and the next…, and that way we avoid reloading basically the same content and stuff on every instance you visit.
And it helps instances better moderate how they present themselves to potential sign-ups.
That is indeed a fair talking point, which of course has its own risk of a new user not know there’s more to the fediverse (or not knowing what the fediverse is) than only what a local instance shows.
I’ve responded to the top comment to address the flaws in that argument.
“All” means all. I suggest not using “all” but subscribing to things you actually want to see.
"All means all.
Not always. For instance if you have NSFW filtered, in which case “all” means “most”.
All is still all, but you curated it to your liking (like OP should do)
This is a recurring response, so forgive me for hijacking your comment to write this again.
/all is where we make our first impression to the world. For a lot of people /all is where (on a still growing platform) people go to discover. I don’t think having an additional “soft NSFW” filter would be a bad thing.
There’s a reason most clients have an NSFW filter in their settings.
Go to your Settings, uncheck the “Show NSFW content” box, click Save.
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How does this… Did you…
i don’t see nsfw in /all cause you can just turn off NSFW content in settings, dude.
easy as pie. your “soft NSFW” filter is baked in.
Thanks for duding me
You have not read or don’t understand the OP. This is about communities like my example in the OP, which many would not consider NSFW, but is on the touchy side of a bunch of other people. The communities don’t want the NSFW tag, but the users who want the ability to filter out the soft NSFW stuff.
There is a soft tag built into the post itself: the title. It says “Ikkitousen.” If you know what Ikkitousen is, you know it’s an ecchi anime. If you don’t know what Ikkitousen is, you have to decide for yourself if the post is worth opening blind. On an anime community it should come as no surprise that people would post characters from ecchi (and not necessarily hard-defined NSFW) shows.
Though I don’t disagree with your suggestion for having more user control, the root of this is entirely a personal problem that others shouldn’t be expected to accommodate for you. Go into your display settings and turn off thumbnails and be self-policing in what links you click on.
[…] and I don’t want it in /all.
Skill issue. That’s literally what /all is for.
Block what you don’t want, or set your starting page to subscribed and curate from there. That’s half the point of this entire place.
The other half you already did the work: notified the comms they have to set to NFW, etc.
I am amazed at how helpless some people…
You don’t want to see it, click block!
JFC have some fucking agency… I know kt is annoyo g bit the fix is easy and right there.
I am amazed at how helpless some people…
It’s what TikTok did to a generation. It’s incredible.
Back in my day, I could even program the time on the VCR!
Ah, but could you programme the timer to record while you were out?!
I’ve responded to the top comment to address the flaws in that argument.
