They enshitified their country 💀
Cha-ching! There is nothing more to america than money. It’s money all the way down.
So as a Canadian here is yet another reason to never visit the newest Oblast USA…
Canadian Citizen will not need Visa thou. So this does not apply.
Putin prefers to call it “Amerika Oblast”.
we… all living in Amerika… Oblast… coka cola… Wonder bra… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8ljRgcJNM
Russia sold Alaska to USA, and instead of buying it back, they took the whole USA to themselves. Now it’s called Amerika Oblast.
Is this also from the Nazi playbook?
Let’s see, we got gestapo kidnappings, unlawful detainment, concentration camps, sycophant loyalists…
I’m sure this will do wonders for the already declining US tourism industry.
The headline is misleading.
- It’s a refundable deposit
- It’s not for all travelers but only for those on non-immigrant visas. Most notably, does not apply for ESTA travelers
Do they say when it will be refunded though? Will it be refunded in cash or in TrumpBux? Isn’t Trump going to add a 200 dollars tax on it, because reasons?
Well the article clearly says there hasn’t been any implementation of this so it is unclear how you even pay let alone get a refund. It says it may be years before refunds could happen.
what if i don’t have another 250 bucks? Jail? or Venezuela?
You just don’t get a visa if you don’t have 250 bucks. Actually, you need a proof of funds to apply for the visa anyways
I didn’t find anything about ESTA, it is not really a visa, but bit similar. Is that also going to be 250$ now? Previously that cost 21$
ESTA isn’t impacted yet by this as it currently only applies to non-immigrant visas. However the “Big Beautiful Bill Act” sets inflation tracked annual increases starting 2026, and the base price is set to raise to $40 sometime this year (I’m not totally sure on when).
Rebuilding the economy by :: checks my notes:: discouraging tourism. I think that officially fills my “how trump is going to fuck us” bingo card.
People still want to go to the USA?
The fee applies to all visitors who need nonimmigrant visas to enter, and cannot be waived.
Every international business meeting and conference just cancelled.
Well well, my mortal enemy has reappeared. Jk, hope you have a great weekend.
$250 is a rounding error for most international business travelers. That’s the cost of one moderately nice business dinner for 3 people. Between airfare, hotels, and meals, that’s less than 10% of the cost of almost all international business trips, with the possible exception of some quick jump from Toronto to Detroit for a lunch meeting.
Same for a lot of international leisure travelers.
This is a filter to keep ‘the poors’ away
A lot of company travel policies are strangely stingy on cost.
But even before this, business travel has been diminished. I’ve been a part of planning for a particular conference in the fall. It usually has a lot of European presenters and lots of meetings among international companies. There’s been a bit of a scramble because most of the people that were expected to speak are not going to travel to the US. Our company is spending a bit more to send people over to key clients in Europe near that time to replace the typical meet up at the conference. People were already nervous about Trump’s ICE enough to declare the US to not be approved for business travel.
International tourism is just being screwed all over the place.
For 1 person, send over a team and you just added up. You’d do it only if you really need to whoo a customer, something that directly adds to the bottom line. If it’s for training or a casual meeting, why would you? I know the perception is companies have endless money but they really don’t and the pinch pennies plenty. Travel adds up.
The percentage doesn’t change for a team vs individual. 3 people also need 3 plane tickets, 3 hotel rooms, etc.
The boss doesn’t care about the percentage, they care about the bill. The total amount.
I am one of the bosses. I’ve been around lots of businesses that do this kind of thing, including tiny startups.
I’m telling you for most businesses, if they’ve bothered to send someone on a business trip that costs $2500+ per person for an important reason, they aren’t going to cancel it over $250. That’s foolish.
I already said it’s not about 1 person, it’s about a team. I see you’re finally adding the caveats “for an important reason”, that’s what I’ve been saying all along. Now you just have to add the other things I’ve been saying: For training and random conferences, it adds up. It’s about the total cost. Etc. Ok I think this has reached its end point, ciao.
Ironically cash strapped startups might not care like a big multinational would.
Travel expenses in a bearaucracy can get weird and people who don’t care about the business case are in charge of travel expenses, and they only get recognition by cutting costs, often in stupid ways.
I worked at a company like that and to give an example of the results of such a bearaucracy, they had this 20 thousand dollar product that shipped maybe 500 units a year. For some reason they became fixated on if they could delete a 25 cent part to reduce cost. The team sized the regulatory work needed to evaluator and presented the 60 thousand dollar estimate and figured that would be the end of it, no way you would spend 60k to maybe cut total company cost by 125 dollars per year. To their surprise the project was approved, they did the work, and confirmed the 25 cent part was still needed to be in compliance with some government regulations…
Business travel elasticity has traditionally been around 0.4, meaning business travellers will tolerate higher fees with only a small drop in demand. But there would still be a drop.
What no one has mentioned here so far is that the $250 additional visa fee is refundable. But it’s not automatically refunded. You have apply for it after meeting some basic conditions. So for businesses, it’s really a much smaller administrative cost.
So far the process for applying for the refund hasn’t been established. So it’s all a bit of a hot mess still.
Fun part is that if the fee is refundable, but requires a process, then some company travel policies might stick such a fee with the employee if they fail to correctly do the process to get the refund. In such a company it might be one more thing for an employee to think about declining travel because they might personally get stuck with the bill.
I work for a company that has 6 figures of employees.
We travel to the USA regularly. This will immediately get flagged and bump the overall travel cost.
It’s only to prevent poor people from South America, Africa, Eastern Europe/Asia. Europe/Japan/Australia is still free to go there.
Professor at a large Canadian university here- our visiting EFL study tours from Europe, Latin America, and East Asian countries have skyrocketed this year as MANY of our partner universities are cancelling (or placing on indefinite hiatus) their US programs.
It’s not going to stop people from Europe etc., but a lot of people might reconsider their holiday plans if on top of everything they have to pay these steep fees.
Apparently it’s a big thing in South America to go to Disney World. Family of 4 just added $1k. It’ll make you think twice.
It’ll make you think twice.
So will the lottery of a lucky few people being sent to their new home in El Salvador.
So does that add up to 3 thinks, or multiple to 4 thinks?
That depends how many thinks it takes to get to the answer “it’s not worth going”. Some people will need a lot of thinks to get there.
South Sudan, and maybe rwanda
When I flew back from Brazil last year to Orlando, almost the entire plane was families with kids, a lot of which were wearing Disney merch. I bet that flight will soon be much less full as $250 is currently almost R$1,400 per person. R$5,500 additional for a family of 4 is a LOT of money in Brazil.
Disney tickets are fucking expensive too. It’s like $150 a day most months, so if they still come, they aren’t going as many days (if at all).
So a good chunk of people that would be interested in the World Cup…. Yet another reason not to come for them. FIFA is practically going to have to give away tickets to get people to show up at this rate
Being in the US even if FIFA gave me a ticket I’d burn it instead of going.
But also includes China, one of our largest sources of tourism…
Europeans still get harassed and randomly arrested. Even Canadians still does.
Yeah other than Europeans and Canadians but they don’t need a fee to discourage them as it is
Well that ought to kill any tourist travel to the US. Way to go drumpf! /s
Department of tourism doing the lords woke. Braise jeasus.
Still won’t protect you from being whisked off the street, sent to an internment camp for months then being deported to a 3rd country and being banned from ever coming van to the US.
This fee is paying for that service.
The way things are going, US will enact an optional $1000 “anti-deportation” Visa fee for tourists that want added safeguards against kidnapping.
We already have “TSA Precheck” which is just a bribe to tell the authorities to not look so closely at your bags and shoes.
A van you say…what van?
Yeah, that’s gonna do wonders for tourism. Another 1000,- for a family of four.
Goddamn the fee gets a fucking inflation adjustment and we’re still on 2009 federal minimum wage? This fucking country.
…do you continue to visit the uncle who has willingly covered himself in shit and lit his house on fire?..really?..
