• Carrot@lemmy.today
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    4 days ago

    “NU UH!!!” Never seen someone just bullshit before while using quotation formatting. You’re putting on a clinic of being a slimy dishonest asshole

    Please, point out where I’m making stuff up. With zero efforr responses like these, I’m not sure why I’m even bothering to respond to you. If you think I’m lying about the definition of race, here are all the human-relevant definitions of race in several dictionaries, almost all would suggest how I’m using race is the most common:

    Race as defined by The American Heritage Dictionary

    1. A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them. 2.A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution.
    2. A genealogical line; a lineage.
    3. Humans considered as a group.
    4. A usually geographically isolated population of organisms that differs from other populations of the same species in certain heritable traits.

    Race as defined by Marriam Webster dictionary

    1. any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry
    2. a group of people sharing a common cultural, geographical, linguistic, or religious origin or background
    3. the descendants of a common ancestor : a group sharing a common lineage

    Oh! Okay! So once you deliberately strip race of all cultural and material context white can be declared a race ‘because they look the same’

    I didn’t strip my race definition of anything. I’m using the definitions above. Me using the “look the same” example was to help solidify that race is a social construct, not that white was a race.

    Well if you’re willing to just compartmentalize literally everything until your premise is affirmed then you can tell yourself anything, can’t you?

    I’m not compartmentalizing anything. I’m using the dictionary definition of race. If you mean something else when you say race, then please, tell me your definition.

    You’ve chosen a definition of race that’s completely useless for everything except one task: to be able to claim victimhood for the privileged class

    I’ve used a definition of race that fits 4 of the 7 dictionary definitions that I’ve seen. Yes, I guess I’m not using the ones regarding ancestry and genealogy, but those just segment what a race is further. Under those definitions, “black” isn’t a race.

    HOW FUCKING STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO LECTURE SOMEONE WHEN YOU OPENLY ADMIT YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT’S GOING ON

    I understand the historical event you are referencing, and I understand that, in some places in the world, Irish immigrants weren’t part of the “true white” race until they became racist towards folks without white skin and became police. What I don’t understand is what that has to do with anything we’re talking about. That doesn’t make “white” any less of a race, that just means that white people in the past were extra racist, being racist against people from a different geological location, not just being racist by the color of their skin.

    Bet you’re white. “My feelings are more important than your facts and I’m elevated from you enough to speak without even knowing them” is extremely white coded

    Please, point out where I am using feelings and you are using facts. Please, point out anything I’ve said that is not truthful. That’s how arguements are done, and that’s what I’ve been doing to everything you’ve said from the beginning. From my end, you have yet to have an argument that is more than “YOU’RE STUPID” without addressing a single thing I’m saying.

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      Why the fuck would anything you’re saying be meaningful or productive in an argument about something I said?

      You know what? I give up.

      I understand the historical event you are referencing, and I understand that, in some places in the world, Irish immigrants weren’t part of the “true white” race until they became racist towards folks without white skin and became police. What I don’t understand is what that has to do with anything we’re talking about. That doesn’t make “white” any less of a race, that just means that white people in the past were extra racist, being racist against people from a different geological location, not just being racist by the color of their skin.

      Just being obstinate.

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        4 days ago

        Yeah, that’s what I thought. Unless you’ve got something meaningful to add, I’m calling it here. You argue with 100% emotion, never adding anything meaningful to a conversation. Glad you can admit that you’re just being obstinate