Congratulation! You have high-roaded the environment into the dumpster! You are complicit in all the actions of the election winners, because you helped put them in office!
That is LITERALLY how it works in a two party system, ffs… for being smart enough to care about the environment, that is purely brainless on the politics…
When a parent tells a child ‘the way it works’ is that you only get to choose whether you want to brush your teeth before or after the last cartoon…
It’s only ‘the way it works’ in the context of the parent being in charge and deciding what they want to do unilaterally. It’s not actually how the world works.
The system needs to change for it to not be a bifurcation, for all practical purposes. The system of voting needs to be changed from First Past the Post to be something like Ranked Robin voting, STAR voting, or Score voting. All of those are my preferred alternatives, but Ranked Choice is still solid over First Past the Post as well.
A different voting system enables third parties to hold real power and to grow in influence.
So, I’m not assuming that you or the person I replied to are in the US specifically.
But in the context of the US, if you (generally) chose not to vote in the 2024 election then you are guilty of doing nothing to prevent the atrocities committed by the Trump administration, when you in fact had the opportunity to do something - which is to say that you are guilty of negligence.
If you encouraged others to not vote then you are complicit in the actions of the Trump administration, because you helped put them in power.
There is no “blame-shifting game” being played here, as there is no need to shift anything. The blame is direct, valid, and undeniable.
I’d really love to know which candidates these assholes primaried for or what revolutions they’ve started. I can get behind NOT WANTING to vote bc it feels bad most of the time but pretending their inaction is some moral victory is feeble minded.
in the context of the US, if you (generally) chose not to vote in the 2024 election then you are guilty of doing nothing to prevent the atrocities committed by the Trump administration
This is really a false dichotomy. There are so many other ways to fight against the atrocities. Given how enthusiastically the democrats are cooperating with the fascist agenda, if you didn’t vote but you uploaded some info to one of those ice watch apps, or went and protested in LA, or shuffled papers to slow down their progress in your federal job, you probably already did more tangible good than someone who did the other way around.
What if they were in a state where their vote wouldn’t have even remotely changed the electoral vote outcome? It’s a strawman blame game you’re playing to feel smug about yourself in a generalized approach.
You don’t know anyone’s personal situation yet you have no qualm placing blame for a worldwide issue on a single individual.
Good for you. You shamed someone for not solving the worlds climate issues with a single fucking vote that may not have even made any difference at all.
Doing something is always better than doing nothing. You don’t get to cry if you did nothing, nobody should care about nothing, if you do nothing you are nothing. Stop fucking crying about it.
Strawman argument to presume a wasted vote is doing something, or that there are no other things to be doing.
I’m not crying about it. I’m telling fuckers who demand everyone vote to step the right fuck off their high horse and look around and see the math. It wouldn’t have mattered for so many.
Or, and please hear me out, because you’re not going to like it.
The Republican party are directly responsible for putting Trump as the nominee.
The people who voted Republican are directly responsible.
The Democrat party are indirectly responsible by presenting such a poor-looking alternative. “We’re not Trump” is not enough.
The people who chose not to vote are the least responsible of all.
You’re directing your anger in the wrong direction. It’s the corruption within the system you need to be tearing down, not some poor sod on the internet.
What’s the plan - to scare them into voting the way you want in the next election? To argue with and win over the millions of extra voters the Democrats needed?
The problem isn’t with the people who saw that both sides were bad options - it’s with the Democrat party for being a bad option.
It will never cease to amaze me when these people blame the voters, instead of blaming the people with the power, the platform, and the money for where we are today.
Your vote is a formality until it swings the state. What is a swing state changes every election. You never truly know until after you voted so vote every time.
The problem is, there often more than a million people in that state all thinking the same thing, that their vote doesn’t matter. Well, they’ve self fulfilled by taking themselves out of the equation.
Congratulation! You have high-roaded the environment into the dumpster! You are complicit in all the actions of the election winners, because you helped put them in office!
May all your moralizing keep you warm at night.
Cool story bud but that’s not how shit works. Go play your reactionary, blame-shifting games elsewhere.
That is how it works. Don’t break an arm jerking yourself off, there, hero.
That is LITERALLY how it works in a two party system, ffs… for being smart enough to care about the environment, that is purely brainless on the politics…
When a parent tells a child ‘the way it works’ is that you only get to choose whether you want to brush your teeth before or after the last cartoon…
It’s only ‘the way it works’ in the context of the parent being in charge and deciding what they want to do unilaterally. It’s not actually how the world works.
The system needs to change for it to not be a bifurcation, for all practical purposes. The system of voting needs to be changed from First Past the Post to be something like Ranked Robin voting, STAR voting, or Score voting. All of those are my preferred alternatives, but Ranked Choice is still solid over First Past the Post as well.
A different voting system enables third parties to hold real power and to grow in influence.
You can see that isn’t a solution by the way it works in the UK
We’re talking about politics that has many laws and regulations written that are enforced. Not your mom trying to instill good hygene…
Its exactly how it works, whether you like it or not.
It’s not blame shifting. The blame sits directly on you, personally, and already had been.
No need to shift it at all.
So, I’m not assuming that you or the person I replied to are in the US specifically.
But in the context of the US, if you (generally) chose not to vote in the 2024 election then you are guilty of doing nothing to prevent the atrocities committed by the Trump administration, when you in fact had the opportunity to do something - which is to say that you are guilty of negligence.
If you encouraged others to not vote then you are complicit in the actions of the Trump administration, because you helped put them in power.
There is no “blame-shifting game” being played here, as there is no need to shift anything. The blame is direct, valid, and undeniable.
I’d really love to know which candidates these assholes primaried for or what revolutions they’ve started. I can get behind NOT WANTING to vote bc it feels bad most of the time but pretending their inaction is some moral victory is feeble minded.
This is really a false dichotomy. There are so many other ways to fight against the atrocities. Given how enthusiastically the democrats are cooperating with the fascist agenda, if you didn’t vote but you uploaded some info to one of those ice watch apps, or went and protested in LA, or shuffled papers to slow down their progress in your federal job, you probably already did more tangible good than someone who did the other way around.
Surely you don’t mean to imply that you can only do one or the other. That would be a false dichotomy, which, surely, you would understand.
Non-voters just love piling on more shit to fight against, i guess.
Not only did I not mean to imply that, I didn’t imply that. If you read that into my comment it’s 100% you.
What if they were in a state where their vote wouldn’t have even remotely changed the electoral vote outcome? It’s a strawman blame game you’re playing to feel smug about yourself in a generalized approach.
You don’t know anyone’s personal situation yet you have no qualm placing blame for a worldwide issue on a single individual.
Good for you. You shamed someone for not solving the worlds climate issues with a single fucking vote that may not have even made any difference at all.
Doing something is always better than doing nothing. You don’t get to cry if you did nothing, nobody should care about nothing, if you do nothing you are nothing. Stop fucking crying about it.
Strawman argument to presume a wasted vote is doing something, or that there are no other things to be doing.
I’m not crying about it. I’m telling fuckers who demand everyone vote to step the right fuck off their high horse and look around and see the math. It wouldn’t have mattered for so many.
Or, and please hear me out, because you’re not going to like it.
The Republican party are directly responsible for putting Trump as the nominee.
The people who voted Republican are directly responsible.
The Democrat party are indirectly responsible by presenting such a poor-looking alternative. “We’re not Trump” is not enough.
The people who chose not to vote are the least responsible of all.
You’re directing your anger in the wrong direction. It’s the corruption within the system you need to be tearing down, not some poor sod on the internet.
What’s the plan - to scare them into voting the way you want in the next election? To argue with and win over the millions of extra voters the Democrats needed?
The problem isn’t with the people who saw that both sides were bad options - it’s with the Democrat party for being a bad option.
They just want internet points and the brief satisfaction of feeling smug by being a piece of shit to someone online.
I’m getting lots of downvotes. The Principal Skinner meme comes to mind.
Is the Democratic Party at fault?
No, the millions of people who didn’t want to vote for the Democratic Party are to blame.
It will never cease to amaze me when these people blame the voters, instead of blaming the people with the power, the platform, and the money for where we are today.
How does that work with electors anyway? I’m under the impression that if you don’t live in a swing state your vote is basically a formality.
Your vote is a formality until it swings the state. What is a swing state changes every election. You never truly know until after you voted so vote every time.
Yes. And even in a swing state, it may take a million or more votes to swing it.
The few states with apportioned electors are the outlier.
Yeah your vote has a one in a million power best case scenario. But in non swing states it willl be a few orders of magnitude less powerful.
The problem is, there often more than a million people in that state all thinking the same thing, that their vote doesn’t matter. Well, they’ve self fulfilled by taking themselves out of the equation.
That’s an unproveable negative, and a strawman. An easy enough target for a crappy argument.
If only we could all people why they didn’t vote. Oh wait, we have! There’s hundreds of polls asking people their reasons.
It’s not really unprovable when we know that on average less than 50% of eligible voters actually vote.